Putin Divorced !

[joasia]

Maria,

Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was just about politics and social issues (based on Orthodox life in society, not certain persons). Basically, I couldn't care less if Putin was marrided 20 times. He's still a politician which equates with lies. If he ordered the burning of Churches, then I would be concerned.

Is Putin ordering the persecution of the True Orthodox Christians in Russia through his contacts with the MP?
If this is so, then I am very concerned.

I agree...if that was the topic. I was referring to the topic of his divorce. But,Barbara didn't mention anything about Putin's attack on the Orthodox Church. She was talking about his love life. Who's the next Mrs. Putin???? I just didn't think his love life was part of "Polical and Social Issues". I think it would be better suited for Miscallaneous topics.

If Putin is having marital problems because he is trying to find a newer younger Mrs. Putin, then he really needs our prayers. If this is the case, then Putin is putting both the Orthodox Church and Russia in jeopardy because his own spiritual life is not in order.

It's still a form of gossip. Putin has already caused great damage within the Orthodox Church because of his lack of faith to Christ. We should pray that he repents and fights the evils of this world.

[Maria]

Maria,

Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was just about politics and social issues (based on Orthodox life in society, not certain persons). Basically, I couldn't care less if Putin was marrided 20 times. He's still a politician which equates with lies. If he ordered the burning of Churches, then I would be concerned.

Is Putin ordering the persecution of the True Orthodox Christians in Russia through his contacts with the MP?
If this is so, then I am very concerned.

I agree...if that was the topic. I was referring to the topic of his divorce. But,Barbara didn't mention anything about Putin's attack on the Orthodox Church. She was talking about his love life. Who's the next Mrs. Putin???? I just didn't think his love life was part of "Polical and Social Issues". I think it would be better suited for Miscallaneous topics.

If Putin is having marital problems because he is trying to find a newer younger Mrs. Putin, then he really needs our prayers. If this is the case, then Putin is putting both the Orthodox Church and Russia in jeopardy because his own spiritual life is not in order.

It's still a form of gossip. Putin has already caused great damage within the Orthodox Church because of his lack of faith to Christ. We should pray that he repents and fights the evils of this world.

That is why my first post in this thread advocates that we should pray for Mr. Putin.

[Barbara]

To me it IS important.

For : who pushed the Union with Moscow more than this man ?
Who had a directorate of the FSB creating a path to clear the way for it ? If not a directorate, a significant section of the FSB
was specifically targeting Rocor, seeking to undermine resistance to the integration into the MP.
Putin played a strong role in what should be separate Church affairs, anyway.

So - we have to know the man to anticipate his future moves.

The choice of a wife reveals much about the inner nature of the leader, one can assume.

Remember how NapoleonI divorced Josephine, married Marie-Louise of Austria and his entire Empire collapsed
barely a few years later in the most dramatic downward spiral conceivable.

There IS something spiritual in what the wife contributes.
Napoleon I called it his "star", but meant the blessing of Providence - remember this was the French Revolutionary era
which did not permit religion. So no terms like "God' were ever used. Ironically, it was Napoleon I who did bring back
the Catholic Church to France, too. But it was not the 'resurrection of the MP" for which Putin is given credit,
but the same Catholic Church which had existed for 1800 years. Not a creation of Stalin for political reasons and
control over society by the State.

[joasia]

For : who pushed the Union with Moscow more than this man ?
Who had a directorate of the FSB creating a path to clear the way for it ? If not a directorate, a significant section of the FSB
was specifically targeting Rocor, seeking to undermine resistance to the integration into the MP.
Putin played a strong role in what should be separate Church affairs, anyway.

Putin is just a puppet. He's following directions. So is the MP. We all know who's really in control.

So - we have to know the man to anticipate his future moves.

I don't see how it's possible to anticipate any future moves.

The choice of a wife reveals much about the inner nature of the leader, one can assume.

We already know that he is not a believer although he pretends to be. His personal life is of no use for Orthodox-minded persons. It doesn't contribute to our salvation. It's better to offer spiritual inspiration by saints or Holy Scripture that may touch someone's heart when they read it. Assumption is not reality; it's basically guessing.

Remember how NapoleonI divorced Josephine, married Marie-Louise of Austria and his entire Empire collapsed
barely a few years later in the most dramatic downward spiral conceivable.

Is this a direct correlation that you have or was there someone who wrote about that? I read that there was another force behind this event.

[joasia]

Maria,

Thanks for the clarification. I thought it was just about politics and social issues (based on Orthodox life in society, not certain persons). Basically, I couldn't care less if Putin was marrided 20 times. He's still a politician which equates with lies. If he ordered the burning of Churches, then I would be concerned.

Is Putin ordering the persecution of the True Orthodox Christians in Russia through his contacts with the MP?
If this is so, then I am very concerned.

I agree...if that was the topic. I was referring to the topic of his divorce. But,Barbara didn't mention anything about Putin's attack on the Orthodox Church. She was talking about his love life. Who's the next Mrs. Putin???? I just didn't think his love life was part of "Polical and Social Issues". I think it would be better suited for Miscallaneous topics.

If Putin is having marital problems because he is trying to find a newer younger Mrs. Putin, then he really needs our prayers. If this is the case, then Putin is putting both the Orthodox Church and Russia in jeopardy because his own spiritual life is not in order.

It's still a form of gossip. Putin has already caused great damage within the Orthodox Church because of his lack of faith to Christ. We should pray that he repents and fights the evils of this world.

That is why my first post in this thread advocates that we should pray for Mr. Putin.

Yes. I was referring to the posts afterwards.

[Barbara]

Regarding Empress Josephine, this course of events was remarked upon by people at the time and ever since !
It is well established.

Even Napoleon I, from his grave, would agree it was a big mistake to divorce his first wife. They did have a Church wedding, too,
to make up for the civil registrar "ceremony" during the time of the Directory.

So we will see if Ludmilla takes Putin's "star" with her, as was said widely regarding Josephine and Napoleon I -

[Barbara]

Aha ! Just what I said about Alina Kabaeva. Whether complete fiction or a grain of truth, or a number of grains
making the rumor more accurate than officials wanted to acknowledge, this story appeared yesterday:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -life.html

"Rumours that he had remarried were started by a Twitter user who claimed last week that the Federal Guards Service had blocked roads around the Iversky monastery in the Valdai Hills because "Putin and Kabayeva are being crowned," a reference to Russian wedding tradition."

For me, this is of interest due more to the locale: the Valdai - Iversky Monastery founded by Patriarch Nikon.
Perhaps it is going to gain more attention as the Valdai area is used for elite conferences of Russian and foreign
movers and shakers.
I am not saying they are GOOD. Just that I am glad this little-known Monastery will be the beneficiary.

It is indicative that the perceived marriage took place at a monastery at all ; which says more about popular
perceptions in the RF of Putin as pious than it does about the actual situation.

Now, if one looks at the pic in this link
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... Vogue.html

one has to admit that one rarely sees such a happy glance from the normally somber-faced RF leader.

So - we have to stay tuned ! I don't think this is the end of the story regarding Alina K.