What to do about Islamic Expansion in US?

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I really wish this discussion would get off the mark and approach the problem of Islamic anything in a Christian manner, instead of "there goes the neighborhood" syndrome.

I once worked with some Afghans that moved to my city. These refugees had come here to get away from the Taliban, but were left at the mercy of some muslim social workers who doled out federal money to them based on their political correctness. A Lebanese Christian wanted me to help me to get involved with this, which I did. His inner city Protestant church, which was very poor, also tried to help these folks, many of whom were more than willing to leave Islam after the experience of the Taliban, if they knew how. But we couldn't get Christians from the wealthier churches involved. I found that most Americans refused to have anything to do with these refugees. My Lebanese friend said that Americans are missing a big opportunity to minister to such people, who are reeling from the violence of Islam. He said that an added benefit for the refugees would have been to keep the local mosque from carrying out their intimidations, for if they perceive that these folks had American friends, then it would be harder for them to be seriously threatened by the mosque. Some of these refugees had converted to Christianity and were then immediately threatened with death fatwas. They had to leave town as a result.

One family I worked with is described here-- http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2 ... ature.html
The head of this family suffered terribly from the Taliban, you can see, his wife's father and brothers were all killed by them. When he came here, my friend's inner city church tried (mostly unsuccessfully because of their poverty) to minster to them, but in the end the man had to give up his association with us and go back to the mosque, which sent two thugs to his house to threaten him. I saw the thugs myself, who were assassins from Pakistan paid by the mosque to hang around the neighborhood to intimidate the refugees--the most murderous, bestial-looking pair I've ever seen. The ministry to the muslim refugees largely collapsed because of our inability to help them greatly compounded by indifference by most Christians to foreigners in their midst. The mosque-mafia won again by default.

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Schultz wrote:

You, sir, are simply a poor excuse for a racist who hides under the monicker of a "racialist". I'm sure you have the Turner Diaries somewhere in your house as well as any number of books by George Lincoln Rockwell. I wouldn't be surprised if you have a cross-stitch wall hanging of the infamous 14 Words.

Well, Brother Shultz, before you accuse me of owning certain books, of which you have absolutely no evidenece that I do in fact own, perhaps you might re-familiarize yourself with the Christian teachings regarding false and slanderous accusations. Or do you conveniently rationalize such sins if the target expresses an opinion which conflicts with your liberal politics?

brendan

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Hexapsalms wrote:

One family I worked with is described here-- http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2 ... ature.html
The head of this family suffered terribly from the Taliban, you can see, his wife's father and brothers were all killed by them.

The area where I live had an influx of Lebenese and Syrian Christians about fifty years ago. These people assimilated very easily into the overwhelmingly European population and have been good citizens.

I think people grow numb due to the incessant din of numerous groups who always seem to be demanding money or assistance to solve problems which often are of their own doing. (For example, the spread of AIDS in Africa. Few will ackowledge that if the Africans weren't involved in wholesale debauchery, whore-mongering, adultery, and general immorality, they wouldn't be experiencing an AIDS epidemic in the first place. Anyway, such situations may unfortunately causes authentic victims like the man you mentioned to go without compassion and help.

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brendan wrote:

These people assimilated very easily into the overwhelmingly European population and have been good citizens.

brendan, brendan, brendan.... :ohvey:

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People, I think it's time to end this thread. There is no point in discussing this issue with someone who believes that America can only become better if everyone becomes a european- and yet doesn't see this as racism.

brendan

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George Australia wrote:
brendan wrote:

These people assimilated very easily into the overwhelmingly European population and have been good citizens.

brendan, brendan, brendan.... :ohvey:

Apparently, I can't even make a favorable comment about anyone without drawing criticism from George of Australia!

People, I think it's time to end this thread. There is no point in discussing this issue with someone who believes that America can only become better if everyone becomes a european- and yet doesn't see this as racism.

Why are you always trying to tell people what they can talk about? If you don't like the discussion, don't read the thread. Nobody forces you to look at anything.

Also please quit putting words in my mouth and inaccurately rephrasing what I have said.

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brendan, brendan, brendan.... :ohvey:

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brendan,
You really need to understand how offensive some of the things you are writing are.
When you say things like:

brendan wrote:

I think people grow numb due to the incessant din of numerous groups who always seem to be demanding money or assistance to solve problems which often are of their own doing. (For example, the spread of AIDS in Africa. Few will ackowledge that if the Africans weren't involved in wholesale debauchery, whore-mongering, adultery, and general immorality, they wouldn't be experiencing an AIDS epidemic in the first place.

You are
1) Accusing not only one person, but an entire people of "debauchery, whore-mongering, adultery, and general immorality." Your evidence for this is what? HIV is a virus- it is not the homosexual plague or a punishment for being African

You are also
2) Displaying a distinctly unchristian lack of compassion, mercy and almsgiving. Even if what you are saying is true (which it isn't), I don't know anywhere in Christian teaching where is says that a good defence before the fearful Judgement seat of Christ for a lack of mercy and almsgiving is that "they brought this on themselves."

And when you say:

brendan wrote:

The area where I live had an influx of Lebenese and Syrian Christians about fifty years ago. These people assimilated very easily into the overwhelmingly European population and have been good citizens.

You are saying that the only way Lebenese and Syrians can become good citizens is if they change their culture and customs to conform with European culture (the meaning of "assimilation'). Meaning: European culture should be the common culture......Why should European culture be the common culture? Why can't cultures co-exist? It is not even enough for you that these Lebenese and Syrian people are Christians- for you they must "assimilate" and become "European" Christians.

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