Official canonization incoming of Met. Sergius as a “Confessor”

[stan.777]

The "fighters from within" will still keep grasping at straws to defend such actions, probably

[Barbara]

Thanks for all these answers, eish ! Really helps as I seem to be way behind everyone regarding internet terms, customs etc !

I see how it works, then, the Lazar Puhalo example gives a good illustration, though the guy is so reprehensible it's hard to type his name !
Is he still AROUND ??
I guess so. You have explained what tricks he employs to hang on there. Otherwise his lack of deposition would be even MORE strange than the case of Sister Vassa.

Has she become a stavrophore nun, then ??

What about Brother Nathanael ? Has he become a Priest, it sounds like ? He is way different than Sister Vassa, of course - almost diametrically opposed to her ridiculous "ministry".

[NektariosLopez]

By Orthobros, you mean the Orthodox Ethos crowd, right ?[/i][/b]

Kind of. Right-wing young men who convert to World Orthodoxy because it appears "based." Dyerites, Heersites, Morphou-ites, internet tough guys who claim to have found the truth but never set foot in a church, some sincere guys who thought it was the truth and especially those who spread around photoshopped memes with quotes from saints and from recent WO elders, etc. Also some insincere right wingers who don't believe in anything really but figured out that atheism in principle cannot work as the basis for a society, so they want to promote something traditional and right-wing for other people to believe, to defeat the Jews.

In a nutshell, they're Nick Fuentes fanboys who figured out that Roman Catholicism isn't going to work out.

These guys: https://gab.com/groups/18897

the "Orthobros" are practically "Debatebros" and love their youtube apologists talking heads. I think they type that gravitate toward Fr Peter Heers are generally opposed to Orthobros/Debatebros mindset. Orthobros are more into bloodsport debates and also seem to be fine with more worldly attitudes. They treat Orthodoxy as a social club. Also from my experience in servers, Orthobros don't care so much for how the hierarchs behave and in fact, don't see much issue with people like Pat. Kyril and will even excuse him. I think Fr Seraphim Rose spoke about this mentality that "Orthodoxy with a cigar" type of social club for what's cool.
Fr Peter Heers types are your "Fight from within" crowd and do admit that their heirachs are heretics but you can't leave them.
Certainly, there is overlap and perhaps over the years they're converging, but I've always seen them as two groups, one about piety signaling and the other about Orthodoxy being some flavor loosely similar to redpill types.

[SavaBeljovic]

the "Orthobros" are practically "Debatebros" and love their youtube apologists talking heads. I think they type that gravitate toward Fr Peter Heers are generally opposed to Orthobros/Debatebros mindset. Orthobros are more into bloodsport debates and also seem to be fine with more worldly attitudes. They treat Orthodoxy as a social club. Also from my experience in servers, Orthobros don't care so much for how the hierarchs behave and in fact, don't see much issue with people like Pat. Kyril and will even excuse him. I think Fr Seraphim Rose spoke about this mentality that "Orthodoxy with a cigar" type of social club for what's cool.
Fr Peter Heers types are your "Fight from within" crowd and do admit that their heirachs are heretics but you can't leave them.
Certainly, there is overlap and perhaps over the years they're converging, but I've always seen them as two groups, one about piety signaling and the other about Orthodoxy being some flavor loosely similar to redpill types.

I think Abp. Andrei (Rymarenko) of Rockland, or St. Andrei of Rockland as he has been glorified as by the GOC-K once wrote that "Orthodoxy with a cigar" thing in a letter when he was talking about Schmemann (who was a relative of Vladyka Gregory Grabbe) and Meyendorff (who was descended from multiple Saints of Russia), he said in particular "these people are 'Orthodox' with a martini in one hand and a cigarette in another..."

Maybe Fr. Seraphim Rose of Platina said something similar, but it's a warning that the Saints have given us for a long time to not treat our Faith as little more than a name tag or a social club... St. John of Kronstadt was fighting against that in pre-revolutionary Russia even.

[Suaidan]

Holding my tongue. The smoking thing is getting old....

[eish]

the "Orthobros" are practically "Debatebros" and love their youtube apologists talking heads. I think they type that gravitate toward Fr Peter Heers are generally opposed to Orthobros/Debatebros mindset.

I agree but there is asymmetric overlap between the two groups. The Heersites who are icked out by Orthobros--and I would surely have been classed somewhere in that range for a little while--are not the totality of the story. The Debatebro side seem to treat Fr. Peter as just another one of their talking heads to pick and choose pithy quotes from.

some flavor loosely similar to redpill types.

+1

Most Orthobros genuinely just think Fr. Peter, Fr. Josiah (Trenham), Met. Neophytos, etc. are "based and redpilled" without deep thought.

[Barbara]

For me, it's hard to absorb who exactly the 2 wings ARE : the Ortho/Debatebros [!!] and the Heersites. So please forgive me if I ask stupid questions now plus in the future. I'll eventually understand with patient explanations !
Thank you all for these !

Could if anyone has time, someone post contrasting videos of each side ? That way I can grasp better who they are.
We do need to know, since they are I guess dominating the World Orthodox outreach scene today ? For how many years has this been going on, would anyone say ?

Also, how was Fr Alexander Schmemann related to the Grabbes ? Both have Germanic names but were the families related way bac, then ?

Is it TRUE that Fr John Meyendorff was descended from St Juliana Olshanskaya ? We know he said he was, but was his claim true as far as anyone was able to discern at the time ?
Or possibly questionable ?

The Abp Andrew of Rockland image DOES ring true. I'm sure many OCA laypeople fit that category in the post-WWII Russian emigration from Europe to the US, not just the two priestly luminaries !?