Saints New Calendarist Claim

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SavaBeljovic wrote: Fri 28 June 2024 2:50 pm
Unseen.Warfare wrote: Fri 28 June 2024 3:40 am

“A quote from Elder Joseph the Cave dweller from the Holy Mountain one who again those who follow the New calendar never cease to grasp at in pushing their point across but they do so in vain. Do not fear he says the Masons are devising many plans and want many things but only if the Lord of all allows them to, without his will as he said neither a hair nor a leaf falls. He shall despise their councils, here the Elder is telling us not to worry about what is going on since God knows all and will show us all the way. God does not approve of innovation or of heresy and so these things will appear and be revealed when he wishes and we will know what to do”— Hierodeacon Ieronymos

“Saint Nektarios of Aegina a very beloved Saint, one who is loved by those on the New calendar but was in no way pleased by that innovation said “We should not change the calendar because all our feasts of our church have been established on it especially the eternal pascha” The Two men he was speaking to replied “But if the church accepts the reform which is happening.. what are we to do”… “You remain as you are” he said “you will not follow the reformers because the Gregorian has been condemned by three Pan Orthodox councils under patriarch Jeremias in 1592 and 1593 two councils and anathemas in 1843 it is impossible for Orthodox to accept the change, I do not accept or follow anyone even if I stay alone” The two men replied “but if we do not have a priest or priests what will we do and if we do not have a Church and have everyone with the New calendar there how do we deal with it”. “Why are you worried” he said. “Your homes will become Churches” “If you read in the history of our Church in times of rebellion many houses have become places of common prayer. All this and much more was said.”- From a Periodical from the Monastery of Esphigmenou on the Holy Mountain

As of late, the New Calendarists have been trying to claim St. Ieronymos of Aegina as their own by taking the quote of him being with all out of context. Blessed Arsenius the Cave Dweller (a co struggler with Blessed Joseph) might be in this category of Saints the New Calendarists claim. As for St. Ieronymos of Parthine, Elder Kallinikios the Ever Vigilant (who I have seen mentioned in some New Calendarist articles, but only in passing), Elder Moses of Attica and others, I do not know if they attempt to claim them as their own.

http://www.anastasioshudson.com/excerpt ... gust-1942/

When Saint Ieronymos of Aegina said “I am with all.” He did not mean with the New Calendarists and Old Calendarists, but with the different Patristic Calendar factions at the time. He recognized (rightly) that one side was blowing an issue out of proportion, and that the other was perhaps a little to hazy in their understanding. He was truly “with all” the “Old“ Calendarists.

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eish wrote: Fri 28 June 2024 4:25 pm
SavaBeljovic wrote: Fri 28 June 2024 2:50 pm

As of late, the New Calendarists have been trying to claim St. Ieronymos of Aegina as their own by taking the quote of him being with all out of context. Blessed Arsenius the Cave Dweller (a co struggler with Blessed Joseph) might be in this category of Saints the New Calendarists claim. As for St. Ieronymos of Parthine, Elder Kallinikios the Ever Vigilant (who I have seen mentioned in some New Calendarist articles, but only in passing), Elder Moses of Attica and others, I do not know if they attempt to claim them as their own.

Well you have at least one guess right on the money. If I get around to it I can quote you from Elder Ephraim's book on Elder Joseph, in which Elder Arsenius is the other major figure.

I must admit that I don't fully understand the controversy. Having looked in detail only into the New Calendarist side of Elder Joseph's story, I don't grasp how this places him on our side (though certainly some say he was a TO saint). Meh, probably you'll tell me the WO story was made up, which we've seen a fair amount of.

Edit just so everyone reading this is clear: The reason why there is a controversy at all, especially given the quote from Elder Joseph above, is that according to the standard party line from Elder Ephraim, Elder Joseph had left the zealots (early Old Calendar movement) and joined the official patriarchal monasteries. So the WO claim holds that his position changed.

Found something else on Saint Joseph

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It was mentioned in the TOC Hangout on Discord but someone made a good point of St. John the Chozebite. St Myrtidiotissa was glorified by the EP under her lay name even though she was a nun with the GOC.

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SavaBeljovic wrote: Sun 30 June 2024 4:42 pm

It was mentioned in the TOC Hangout on Discord but someone made a good point of St. John the Chozebite. St Myrtidiotissa was glorified by the EP under her lay name even though she was a nun with the GOC.

What was the point of St John the Chozebite, so people don't have to join a Discord server?

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Also, moved this into Debate section, it was in Document Library

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Suaidan wrote: Sun 30 June 2024 5:43 pm
SavaBeljovic wrote: Sun 30 June 2024 4:42 pm

It was mentioned in the TOC Hangout on Discord but someone made a good point of St. John the Chozebite. St Myrtidiotissa was glorified by the EP under her lay name even though she was a nun with the GOC.

What was the point of St John the Chozebite, so people don't have to join a Discord server?

“St Irene, St Glicherie, St Myrtidiotissa, St John the Chozebite, St Philoumenos of Jacob’s well…Keep in mind the Romanian patriarchate literally canonised one of our own saints. Saint John had no relation to the Romanian Patriarchate and they decided to canonise him”

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Unseen.Warfare wrote: Sun 30 June 2024 9:44 pm
Suaidan wrote: Sun 30 June 2024 5:43 pm
SavaBeljovic wrote: Sun 30 June 2024 4:42 pm

It was mentioned in the TOC Hangout on Discord but someone made a good point of St. John the Chozebite. St Myrtidiotissa was glorified by the EP under her lay name even though she was a nun with the GOC.

What was the point of St John the Chozebite, so people don't have to join a Discord server?

“St Irene, St Glicherie, St Myrtidiotissa, St John the Chozebite, St Philoumenos of Jacob’s well…Keep in mind the Romanian patriarchate literally canonised one of our own saints. Saint John had no relation to the Romanian Patriarchate and they decided to canonise him”

Ah yes!

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