One heresy to rule them all

Discuss the Canons of the Orthodox Church and the Anathemas, especially those against various heresies that have arisen since the beginning of Christ's Holy Orthodox Church. All Forum Rules Apply. No Polemics. No heated discussions. No name-calling.


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One heresy to rule them all

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Christ is risen!

There's this concept in formal logic, which I think I half remember the Fathers speaking similarly with respect to heresy. Maybe someone can refresh my memory.

Mathematicians have known since the Middle Ages of the principle of explosion. In brief: In any sufficiently powerful system of logic, if you assume anything false,* every falsehood logically follows. In fact a proof exists then for every claim, whether true or false. This means that if I genuinely accept that 1+1=5, I could formally "prove" that the twelfth root of zero is pi. Of course this does not prohibit thinking with imperfect information.

My point being that mathematics does not exist purely for its own sake. When using maths we are really using it as a proxy for something else in the real world, which obeys the same rules that we have expressed in mathematical language. The same rules of reason which we apply in other fields, we also apply when speaking of theology. Whatever theological matters we express in terms of logic and mathematics--and I am not dealing with Transcendence here--we apply the same rules to and reach analogous conclusions.

Hence we say in some sense, that every or perhaps nearly every heresy is really the same as every other. I'm sure you have noticed this in the real world as much as I have. False religions have constantly changing doctrines, which each generation clinging to the ideas they grew up with--new ideas viscerally rejected by their fathers, even though they followed logically from their own. They themselves viscerally reject the new ideas of the day which  will be the old conservative ideas of their children. In the end they seem to argue themselves into anything and everything. I could list many examples, like Spinozism or hasidism among the Jews, like ultramontanism or Darwinism among the papists, like Arianism or iconoclasm in the reformation, etc. And yes, they often splinter into many groups.

Give the devil one heresy, no matter how small, and given time he can by logical steps turn that into any other. I guess at the end of the day when everything seems reasonable, ecumenism must result.

So I've been thinking of this, and I half remember that there were off-hand references that I heard somewhere to the Fathers speaking of the equivalence of all heresies. Or maybe I'm just misremembering it. Any takers?

*False being used in the strictly formalistic sense, i.e. contradicting your other assumptions/axioms. The contradiction need not be obvious.

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This is actually why ecumenism is referred to by many writers as a "Pan-Heresy," or ultimate union of all heresies.

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Re: One heresy to rule them all

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Suaidan wrote: Wed 12 June 2024 11:28 pm

This is actually why ecumenism is referred to by many writers as a "Pan-Heresy," or ultimate union of all heresies.

 

I was thinking more of a bottom-up approach than a top-down one. Ecumenism must eventually embrace all falsehoods, which is clearly pan-heretical. As St. Justin wrote, “Ecumenism is the heresy of heresies, because until now every separate heresy in the history of the Church has striven itself to stand in the place of the true Church, while the ecumenical movement, having united all heresies, invites them all together to honor themselves as the one true Church.”

I'm thinking of all falsehoods eventually embracing [ecumenism and] all other falsehoods. Fair enough, Father, as that could also be called pan-heretical. But did the fathers write specifically on this topic?

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