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Makis
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Dear all,

I read here http://euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewto ... 4317#14317 something that left me with some questions.

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 Q.  Is Father Gregory Louyre part of our Church?  I have heard that Father Gregory is not part of our Church because he has been dismissed by the Metropolitan because he refused to obey the directive of the Synod to refrain from engaging in theological debates on the internet which caused confusion among the faithful.  Then on the other hand, Olga, his disciple, is saying on the internet that he is part of our Church.  Which is it? 

 A.  We have contacted Suzdal and talked to both Metropolitan Valentine and Archbishop Theodore about this.  [b]Both said that he is not part of our Church in that he has been "discharged" to search for another jurisdiction[/b].  We will try to get more information about this and get back with you. [/quote] 

I have to say that I find this a very "interesting" remark (to say the least).

Let's say that this Fr. Gregory (whom I do not know, nor do I know anything about the problems supposedly around him) is such a sinful person that he needs to be placed outside the Church.
Shouldn't he be defrocked before he is "kicked out"? Is it furthermore standard procedure in ROAC to dump their "problem cases" in other jurisdictions?

I would be grateful if somebody could explain this to me.

In Christ,

Makis

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Post by Monk George »

The circumstances which lead a spiritual father to deal with a particular person or group of persons is difficult to ascertain by those not directly involved. In our fallen condition, it is always easier to view others' actions in a negative, rather than a positive light.

The Synod of the Russian Orthodox Autonomous Church is guided first by the precepts of our Lord, "Forgive, and ye shall be forgiven", "Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy", and other similar sentiments.

In attempting to effect the salvation of Father Gregory Lourye, as well as all those following him, our Church has striven to bring Father Gregory to a voluntary renunciation of his errors, rather than a forced repentance from the Bishops. Unfortunately, Father Gregory has not followed the path of humility and obedience.

Although canonically our Synod could have handed down a ruling of deposition, our Metropolitan refrained from doing so, in the hope that Father Gregory might later repent.

It is necessary to keep in mind that according to the canons, once a person has been deposed, contrary to the common practice of most orthodox groups, he cannot be reinstated as a clergyman again, should he repent. Therefore, our Church is exercising her right to extend mercy to Father Gregory by not handing down the irrevocable sentence of deposition.

This is not "dumping" Father Gregory on another jurisdiction; we are simply protecting the flock entrusted to us from the heresies Father Gregory continues to propagate. Should Father Gregory find some Orthodox group to receive him, perhaps he will then reconsider his ideas.

The fact that Father Gregory continues to label himself as part of ROAC is as much within the control of Metropolitan Valentine as is the ROCA's progression towards union with the Moscow Patriarchate. Our Church has no political apperatus with which to silence its detractors; how much less one who proclaims the ROAC as the true Russian Church on the internet.

The fact that the official ROAC web site has of today not been changed to reflect Father Gregory's status does not mean that Fr. Gregory is secretly part of our Church. Those who choose to be suspicious will be so in the face of any evidence, or lack thereof.

The internet is not the living entity of the Church. Our Church uses the internet as a means to propagate the truth of Orthodoxy, not as an organic part of the life of our faithful. Unlike those in the west, the vast majority of our faithful in Russia do not have computers, do not even use them. Rather, they dedicate their lives to fulfilling the commandments of Christ. Therefore, the internet is not a viable means of communication for our Church in Russia. Consequently, we who use the internet should not depend upon it to ascertain the day to day affairs of our Church's spiritual center in Suzdal.

This is how I see this matter.

In Christ,

George, hegumen

"Obedience is Life and the Opposite is also True."

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