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The Remnant Mentality - Now Orthodox are embracing?

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Restorationists (and other Protestants gone defensive) often refer to themselves, Samir says, as a remnant. This remnant language is common in the Bible. For those who need consolation for small numbers, it's an attractive blanket to wrap up in: we're not small because we're ineffective, or lazy, or ingrown, or otherwise unattractive; we're small because we're a faithful remnant! Everyone else has comprimised. They're taking the easy way. We're the few, the committed, the faithful, the proud. (Oops.) Anyway, Samir has seen a lot of this remnant thinking in restorationist territory; he sees how destructive it is.

He was preaching the stories of Moses in Exodus, where God seeks to "renegotiate the contract" with Abraham's descendants in light of their repeated unfaithfulness. God says that he will abandon the Israelites at large and will let Moses become the patriarch of a new people of God. In other words, Moses represents the remnant; he's the only faithful one left. What does Moses do?

In a stunning move, Moses says, "God, blot me out. Reject me. Don't reject the people." This loyalty wins God's heart, and on Moses' behalf, God relents from rejecting the Israelites.



Excerpt taken from Brian D. McClaren's book "a Generous Orthodoxy"

Could it be, that a certain group of Orthodox Christians have embrace the same mentality that has caused division within the Protestant Churches? It has spread over into Orthodoxy and is manifesting itself with more and more divisions and splits over various issues. Remnants being created from other "Remnant Churches". Why don't we see those "remnant" churches doing what Moses did? We don't. We see them exhibiting the same nature as those "Protestant" remnants.

Some words to ponder....

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Rd. Chrysostomos:

I do believe you have hit the nail on the head.....That was so true and very reflective of Orthodox thought today!

Thank you and have a good fast.....

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Chrysostomos,

If you read the Holy Fathers and the History of the Church you will see that the Orthodox have always had the remant mentality. In fact, the Orthodox in Rome during the time of Nero were waiting for the second coming day-by-day.

Today I think there is even more of a reason to believe this. As for the protestants, well, even a blind squirrel finds a peanut once in awhile.

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Ioannis:

When there is little or no turmoil in the Church, a theory such as the above is rarely seen as something that applies to us, but with everything that is going on in the last few years, a person reading the above from the here and now can see it clearly. The hard part is to admit that we are doing it...

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ioannis wrote:

If you read the Holy Fathers and the History of the Church you will see that the Orthodox have always had the remant mentality. In fact, the Orthodox in Rome during the time of Nero were waiting for the second coming day-by-day.

Ah, but you see, in Nero's day, every Orthodox Christian was considered part of the Faithful Remnant- the New Israel. What I believe Rdr. Chysostomos is saying is that we have the situation today where some Othodox Christians believe they are the Faithful Remnant and that others merely claim to be Orthodox Christians.
Every schism believed it was the Faithful Remnant- the Arians, the Monophysites, The Latins, the Old Believers...

"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."

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Yes I see.

Then I will just say that the Orthodox have always had this mentality when in fact they WERE the last remnant. ;)

St. Gregory the Theologian, St. Maximos, St. Athanasios, St. Basil, ect. ect. (the list is long and I can give qoutes ;) ) have all written that they "were the last remnant" - and they were. The Orthodox have always been conscience of what they were, and how many were left who were the same.

I think this "thought", that because the protestants do it we should feel guilty that we do the same, is just plain bad thinking. I don't care what the Protestants do quite frankly, and I certainly don't look to them so that I can always do the opposite. The Protestants do believe and do many of the things we Orthodox believe and do.

That just my 2 cents

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ioannis wrote:

Then I will just say that the Orthodox have always had this mentality when in fact they WERE the last remnant. ;)

Oh, so in your opinion, the Orthodox are not the Faithful Remnant any more? Who is it now? The Hare Krishnas? The B'ahai's?

ioannis wrote:

I think this "thought", that because the protestants do it we should feel guilty that we do the same, is just plain bad thinking.

Well, I don't know about you, but I certainly don't do it, so it really isn't an issue for me.

"As long as it depends on Monothelitism, then Miaphysitism is nothing but a variant of Monophysitism."

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