ROCOR vs. ?

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ROCOR vs. ?

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How does the ROCOR differ from other Orthodox bodies? I'm new to Orthodoxy and have no clue about the politics of the Faith, I attend a Faithful Greek Church and love the people and service very much. I'm really not concerned about the politics...on the other hand I'm very interested if other Orthodox bodies are turning from the Faith.

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Gideon, I don't know all the differences that there may be but I do know some... I will try to post them here... if I'm wrong I hope someone will correct my errors!
The ROCOR is Old Calendar, if you don't know what that is... the Old Calendar is 13 days behind the 'papal' calendar or the new calendar which is the calendar that the roman catholics and other churches are on as well as some Orthodox Churches. Some ROCOR churches have no pews in them, except maybe a couple in the back or along the walls for the elderly to sit in if they're tired. ROCOR has Slavonik in their Liturgies, tho its usually half Slavonik and half English. I'd say that as far as I know, you'll find more women wearing headcoverings (as in my opinion is the way it should be...women wearing headcoverings in Church). That is all that I can think of currently. I hope someone else can say more and better than I have. If I've made any errors, please forgive me.

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The thing I admire most about the ROCOR is that it doesn't participate in ecumenism and sell out Orthodoxy for the false "unity" of this world. Other Orthodox Churches do that to a greater or lesser degree. In the end it is much more traditional and unaffected by modernism. It should be noted though that I am NOT a member of the ROCOR, but that I am GOA with a deep sympathy for old calendarists.

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First, let me preface this by saying that some generalizing is necessary for a reply to such questions. What I say is not meant, then, to be taken as a description that is always accurate (there are exceptions to most "rules"). I will try to avoid being polemical if I can, and I will definatley avoid politics ;)

Some Differences...

  • ROCOR is much stronger in its stance against false ecumenism than other groups. ROCOR has even anathematized certain theories popular among some (non-Orthodox) ecumenists, such as the "branch theory".

  • ROCOR has, for the most part, stayed out of the mire of modernism. Many other jurisdictions have sunk down into this mire, some to a lesser, and some to a greater, extent.

  • ROCOR tends to be more ascetical in practice, which means many ROCOR Churches are without pews, fasts are expected to be kept, a fuller liturgical life is done at the parish, etc.

  • ROCOR is also different because it is one of the few groups in America who embrace their ethnicity (though, of course, they don't exclude other ethnicities from participating with them). Many Churches like the OCA and Antiochians are trying to be (or move towards) an "American Church". ROCOR, on the other hand, considers itself to still be a Church of Russians who are dispersed throughout the world. It should be noted that ROCOR keeps it's ethnic roots and customs in an acceptable way, and that they do not fall into the wrong kind of ethnic or national focus, something which has been condemned.

  • ROCOR continue to use the "old calendar," as was pointed out earlier. The issue of the old calendar is as much one of modernism as it is dealing with the actual calendar. The traditionalists such as ROCOR see the original acceptance of the "new calendar" as a lapse, and a concession to false ecumenism/modernism.

  • ROCOR is, on the whole, more faithful to the canons of the Church (e.g., from Councils) than many other jurisdictions are. Even members of the other jurisdictions have made that observation over the years. What this means is: 1) ROCOR sometimes seems like legalists, because some believe that certain canons are not applicable today; and 2) the faithful (laity) of ROCOR are protected from error to an extent by the clergy's conservative approach.

  • ROCOR continues to speak out against theological errors such as Sergianism and the "canonization craze" that is effecting some groups (the "craze" spoken of is the over-zealousness by some in one particular Church to canonize a number of people who were obviously not Orthodox saints).

  • ROCOR has steered clear of all of the modern ecclesiological errors that are beginning to infect some other jurisdictions. Neo-papal-partriarchalism and officialism are two of the more common cerrors.

If you do a search on Google for all these terms I'm mentioning, you'll undoubtedly pull up many pages. I don't mean to leave you hanging here with a bunch of funny words you've never heard of before. It'd just take too long to go over all of them at once. :) If you had specific questions, though, I'm sure many on the forum would be happy to try and answer them. /\

Justin

PS. When I said that ROCOR embraces it's ethnic roots, I hope this doesn't scare you away! I'm an American, but I am still becoming ROCOR. The ethnicity will only "get to you" if you don't mesh well with the culture, for whatever reason. The ethnicity in itself isn't really a hinderance, though :)

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Post by Gideon »

I agree with what I have read so far, so what should I do now? The only Church in town is a Greek Orthodox Church. The nearist ROCOR Church is about 1 hour away but I have no way of getting their... Should I remain outside of the Church?

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I would call the priest. There may be someone who drives from your area to the church that would give you a ride. With God all things are possible!

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- ROCOR continues to speak out against theological errors such as Sergianism and the "canonization craze" that is effecting some groups (the "craze" spoken of is the over-zealousness by some in one particular Church to canonize a number of people who were obviously not Orthodox saints).

What church are you talking about here and is there any info on this on the web?

Thanks

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