EP Meletios and the New Calendar Schism

[Maria]

Since Joasia has asked an interesting question, I have copied her question from Intra-GOC polemics to start a new thread here in World Orthodoxy.

Didn't Patriarchate Meletios die with his mouth wide open so much that his bowels could be seen? It was right before he was in such agony and confessed that he had caused a great schism.

Isn't the departed EP Meletios the one who introduced the New Calendar in Greece and then elsewhere?
And did not he have a full masonic funeral?

If the EP Meletios did confess that he had caused a great schism, then perhaps he did have final repentance.

Furthermore, if the EP Meletios did confess that he had caused a great schism when on his death bed, then perhaps that would be another argument on our side that the New Calendarists are the ones in schism.

[joasia]

Christ is Risen!

Isn't the departed EP Meletios the one who introduced the New Calendar in Greece and then elsewhere?

Yes.

And did not he have a full masonic funeral?

I'm not aware of those details.

If the EP Meletios did confess that he had caused a great schism, then perhaps he did have final repentance.

Perhaps. Only God knows his fate.

Furthermore, if the EP Meletios did confess that he had caused a great schism when on his death bed, then perhaps that would be another argument on our side that the New Calendarists are the ones in schism.

We don't need his confession. The outcome is the proof. Not to mention, the Holy Cross that appeared over St. John the Theologian Church on Sept. 14/27, 1925. And the tears of the icon of the Theotokos that wept at the New Calendar Church of the Holy Apostle in Acropolis (along with blood streaming from the head of the Apostles) on Dec. 24/Jan 6, 1925. They were celebrating the baptism of Christ when it was really His Nativity. The people realized that this was a warning sign.

God provides His own evidence. A person would have to be in total prelest not to understand it. But, the biggest evidence of truth was the Holy Cross in the sky because it was a Byzantine style Cross with the three bars. There is no excuse of natural phenomena about that. It was seen all around Athens.

[Archimandrit Nilos]

This church of the Hymettos Hill with the Holy Cross on the sky was under the omophore of Archbishop Matthew (Karpathakis) of venerable memory (1861-1950).

[Barbara]

That's interesting !
I had not heard about that second set of signs.

Maria, do you recall WHERE you read that this Meletios had a full Masonic "funeral" ?
That sounds simply awful.

I remember he WAS a Mason, but didn't know that part. Perhaps it was kept secret and done in the shadow of the Greek Orthodox services - ?

[Maria]

That's interesting !
I had not heard about that second set of signs.

Maria, do you recall WHERE you read that this Meletios had a full Masonic "funeral" ?
That sounds simply awful.

I remember he WAS a Mason, but didn't know that part. Perhaps it was kept secret and done in the shadow of the Greek Orthodox services - ?

I think it was mentioned in one of the two biographies written about St. Nektarios of Aegina.
As you might be aware, the hierarch Meletios was absolutely rude toward St. Nektarios.

Apparently, immediately after the church funeral, the masons congregated around his casket at the cemetery and performed their masonic rituals, so it was not a secret event. I remember seeing a picture posted in that book, but not being a mason, I have no idea what they were doing.

[Barbara]

It's a long time since I read about St Nektarios. I recall his being persecuted by senior hierarchs, but had not probably known enough
at that early stage about the Real Meletios to make the connection to the perpetrator of misery onto St Nektarios.

That fills out a picture, then, to know this background.

You saw a picture of their rituals ? Wow. Was this in a standard St Nektarios biography ? Or one written for, let's say, a discerning audience
like the True Orthodox or those of similar ideas ?
Makes one shudder to think. Where is EP Meletios buried, actually, by the way ?
I hope OUT of the way...