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Re: ObamaCare Laws Require Everyone Gets Chipped
Posted: Wed 5 December 2012 10:52 pm
by Maria
Icxypion wrote:Hello Barbara, I don't know what the rules are about exemptions. I am not an American citizen. Many people are moving out of the USA because they can see what is coming and is not far off anymore. Maybe that is an option at some point worth considering.
Yes, some Americans are moving to Australia and other places, but one must be employable and under 65. If one is close to 65, only a visa is possible. Seems we are locked in (prison planet?). No more freedom of movement.
Re: ObamaCare Laws Require Everyone Gets Chipped
Posted: Thu 6 December 2012 12:32 am
by Priest Antonios
Icxypion wrote:Many people are moving out of the USA because they can see what is coming and is not far off anymore.
There really are only three basic options if such a thing were to come about; accept it, suffer through it (ie. refuse it and suffer the consequences) or have an exit strategy. I suppose some would add "fight it" to the list... however that would seem somewhat futile in my opinion.
Re: ObamaCare Laws Require Everyone Gets Chipped
Posted: Thu 6 December 2012 11:05 am
by Matthew
Yes, fighting it would not be very useful.
Re: ObamaCare Laws Require Everyone Gets Chipped
Posted: Thu 6 December 2012 4:33 pm
by StephenS
That politicians are not able to scrutinise legislation thoroughly before it is passed beggars the question is the USA actually a democracy or merely a caricature of one? I write this without any wish to offend but rather to make sense of something that truly astounds me.
Re: ObamaCare Laws Require Everyone Gets Chipped
Posted: Thu 6 December 2012 6:40 pm
by Matthew
I don't really believe in "democracy" anyway. I am a monarchist. I read some time ago that there was an opinion among some holy fathers that the government that would make way and usher in the AntiChrist was democracy. That there are benefits that are part of a democracy that takes root in a Christian morals and ethics-based society is undeniable. However, once the inheritance has been spent, of such a godless system based on what the masses want in their passions--what then?
Re: ObamaCare Laws Require Everyone Gets Chipped
Posted: Thu 6 December 2012 10:26 pm
by Priest Antonios
Technically, the United States was never meant to be a democracy, but rather, a republic. However, anyone observing the political situation in the USA can't help but sense it's become an oligarchy.
Icxypion wrote:I read some time ago that there was an opinion among some holy fathers that the government that would make way and usher in the AntiChrist was democracy.
Self rule is dangerous. Anytime people can vote on what they want and the majority get their way things seem to go wrong. Mob rule is almost always a bad thing. In effect, it becomes the 51% oppressing the 49%.
Re: ObamaCare Laws Require Everyone Gets Chipped
Posted: Fri 7 December 2012 10:34 am
by Matthew
Yes, and I think I read somewhere a quote of (was it Plato?) that Democracies fail because once the people realise they can vote themselves money, they well then proceed to bankrupt the treasury and politicians who depend on pleasing them to gain the vote will be bound to fulfil their demands, or lose their position.