Powerful anathemas on Ecumenism

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That's a good example, Kollyvas. I believe the ROCOR anathema of 1983 is meant to be a forerunner to a pan-Orthodox anathema over ecumenism. It is the traditional Orthodox precedent which I believe the mind of the universal Church will ultimately recognize as in the case you cited.
I doubt that the ROCOR bishops would expect that their anathema would be binding on all bishops and their flocks everywhere apart from THOSE bishops giving conciliar consideration to the issue for the care of their own people. Of course, one could argue that the false type of ecumenism pursued by the WCC, etc. already falls under an anathema of common sense that should be recognized by anyone even faintly aquainted with the True Faith. But anathemas by individuals or local synods are less universal commands and more like a call to battle.

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I think this excellent article can put a light on these issues

On anathemas by Vladimir Moss

  1. The Meaning and Use of the Word "Anathema".

A common tactic used is to declare that anathemas do not constitute expulsion from the Church in the full sense, but rather warnings about false doctrine.

The falseness of this argument was shown by St. John Maximovich, who, after explaining the use of the words "anathema" in the New Testament, wrote: "In the acts of the Councils and the further course of the New Testament Church, the word "anathema" came to mean complete separation from the Church. "The Catholic and Apostolic Church anathematizes", "let him be anathema", "let it be anathema", means a complete tearing away from the Church. While in cases of" separation from the communion of the Church" and other epitimia or penances laid on a person, the person remained a member of the Church, even though his participation in her grace-filled life was limited, those given over to anathema were thus completely torn away from her until their repentance. Realizing that she is unable to do anything for their salvation, in view of their stubbornness and hardness of heart, the earthly Church lifts them up to the judgement of God. That judgement is merciful unto repentant sinners, but fearsome for the stubborn enemies of God. "It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God"? for our God is a consuming fire" (Heb. 10.31;12.29)."[1]

Sometimes it is added that only God can expel from the Church, which is clearly false, in that Christ God specifically entrusted His True Church with the power to bind and to loose (Matt. 18.18; John 20.23) "“ that is, to retain people as members of the Church or to expel them from Her (provided, of course, that She exercises this power with justice and discernment). Other variations on this tactic include the theory that anathemas anathematize, not individual men or churches, but teachings of men and churches, which again is clearly false, in that the Apostle Paul"s anathemas (I Cor. 16.22; Gal. 1.8,9) are directed against people, as are many of the anathemas of the Ecumenical Councils. Again it is asserted that anathemas anathematize nobody if specific names are not mentioned, which would imply that the Apostle Paul"s anathemas, as well as

many of those of the Ecumenical Councils and those more recent anathemas pronounced on the Sunday of Orthodoxy, are all just a pompous form of game-playing and not to be taken seriously.

No, the matter is extremely serious. And no amount of Jesuitical circumvention of the plain meaning of the word "anathema", and of the obvious significance of the formula: "To all those who teach"?. Anathema", can deny that in all true anathemas, whether with names or without them, somebody is anathematized, that is, cut off from the Church. For the word of anathema is no less than "the word of God, quick and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit"?" (Heb. 6.12).

  1. Cavilling with the Scope of Individual Anthematisms.

If it is accepted that a given anathema does apply to people, and not only to teachings, and that it does in fact separate people from the Church, and

not simply warn them about a possible falling-away, the next tactic usually employed is to attempt to limit the scope of the anathema. This can be done either by mocking the small number of bishops involved, or by asserting that as ynod of bishops, however large, can only anathematize those within its jurisdiction. One variant of this ploy is to assert that one Local Church cannot

anathematize another.

Those who assert this are usually thinking of the ROCOR"s anathema against ecumenism and the ecumenists in 1983, which supporters of union with the MP like to think applies only to members of the ROCOR, contrary to its obviously universal scope and wording. Of course, many anathemas are formulated in the first place against heretics living within the jurisdiction of the bishops who pronounce them. But that in no way limits the application of such anathemas to those heretics, and those alone; and still less does it mean that there is a "heresy of universal jurisdiction", as one supporter of the MP has put it.

Concerning this so-called "heresy of universal jurisdiction, I wrote two years ago: "An anathema excludes the person anathematised from the holy mysteries, from membership of the Holy Church. In the first place, of course, that applies to the local Church of which that person is a member. It applies to other Churches only to the extent that the leaders of those other Churches agree

with the original anathema and sign up to it, as it were.Thus the heretic Arius was originally anathematized by the Bishop of Alexandria, which meant that

he was excluded from receiving the sacraments throughout the Church of Alexandria. However, not all the bishops of neighbouring Churches agreed with this anathema, so Arius was able to receive communion in other Local Churches. To this extent the anathema was only of local significance. It required the convening of the First Ecumenical Council before Arius was anathematized universally - and even then, the anathema was not universally received, as the history of the Church in the next fifty years demonstrates.

"It is a different matter when we consider an anathema sub specie aeternitatis, in its mystical, super-terrestrial significance. From that point of view, the anathematization of a heretic begins in the heavens. Thus even before Arius had been "locally" anathematized by St. Alexander of Alexandria, the Lord appeared to his predecessor, St. Peter, with a torn cloak, and in answer to St. Peter's question: "O Creator, who has torn Thy tunic?", replied: "The mindless Arius; he has separated from Me people whom I had obtained with My Blood". [2] So not only Arius, but all those who followed him, had been separated from the Church by the anathema of Her First Bishop, the Lord Jesus Christ, years (or rather, aeons) before even the first "local" anathema had beenuttered. All heresies and heretics are anathematized "from all eternity" by the eternal Lord, for just as every truth is approved by the Truth Himself from all eternity, so is every lie condemned by Him from all eternity, being condemned with the father of lies to the gehenna of fire (Rev. 22.15).

"The task of hierarchs on earth is to discern the decisions of the heavenly Church, and then apply these eternal and heavenly decisions on earth, in space and time. As St. Bede the Venerable (+735) writes: "The keys of the Kingdom designate the actual knowledge and power of discerning who are worthy to be received into the Kingdom, and who should be excluded from it as being unworthy".[3] From this point of view, it matters not a jot whether a heretic is anathematized locally or universally, since he has already been anathematized by

the heavenly Church. Or rather, it matters in this sense: that if the heretic has been anathematized locally, but this anathema is not accepted bythe rest of the Church, then the rest of the Church is under the grave danger of falling under this same anathema. For the local anathema, if it is just, is the reflection of a heavenly anathema; and the anathema of the heavenly Church is universal"?.

"This explains why, when local Churches anathematized a heresy, they never qualified the anathema "? by saying: 'but of course, this applies only to the heretics in our local Church'. On the contrary: history shows that local Churches freely anathematized heretics, not only in their own Churches, but also in others. Thus Nestorius, a heretic of the Church of Constantinople, was first condemned by a local Synod of the Church of Rome under St. Celestine; the Monothelite heretics were first condemned by a local Synod, again, of the Church of Rome; and the Papist heretics were first condemned by a local Synod of the Church of Constantinople.

"Consider what St. Maximus said of the Monothelites: 'In addition to having excommunicated themselves from the Church, they have been deposed and deprived of the priesthood at the local council which took place recently in Rome. What Mysteries, then, can they perform? Or what spirit will descend upon those who are ordained by them?'

"Note that the saint says that the heretics have excommunicated themselves; for as the Apostle Paul writes, 'he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself' (Tit. 3.11). But the heretics' self-condemnation and self-exclusion from the Church as a mystical organism [here I borrow a distinction between the Church as a mystical organism and the Church as an external organization from the Catacomb Hieromartyr Bishop Mark of Sergiev Posad

(+1938)] must be followed by their exclusion from the Church as an external organization, lest others be infected with their heresy. Hence the need for councils of bishops to anathematize them, following the rule: 'A heretic after the first and second admonition reject' (Tit. 3.10), and: 'If he refuses to listen to the Church, let him be unto you as a heathen and a publican' (Matt. 18.17). And clearly St. Maximus considered that the anathema of the local Church of Rome had validity throughout the Ecumenical Church.

"Administrative matters and moral falls are the business of local Churches and councils. However, heresies of their very nature are of universal significance, having the potential to infect the whole Church. That is why the appearance of a heresy in one local Church is not the business only of that local Church, but of all the local Churches - and every local Church can and must anathematize it.

"Even the anathema of single bishopric or metropolitanate has universal power and validity if it is uttered in the Holy Spirit, in accordance with the eternal Truth. Thus in 1069 the bishops of the metropolitanate of York, in the north of England, solemnly anathematized both the Pope of Rome and his stooge, William the conqueror, the first papist king of England. All the evidence is that they did not know that the Church of Constantinople had already anathematized Rome in 1054. So they were not simply confirming the word of a higher authority. They did not need a higher authority. They were successors of the apostles, with the power to bind and to loose. And they used that power, not for personal gain (on the contrary: they paid for their boldness with their lives), even against the most senior bishop in Christendom"?

"In the same way, in 1983 the Sobor of Bishops of the Russian Church Abroad, using the power to bind and to loose given them by the Bishop of bishops, the Lord Jesus Christ, translated onto earth, into space and time, the completely binding and universally applicable decision already arrived at from all eternity by the Council of the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Ecumenism is, was and always will be a heresy, indeed 'the heresy of heresies'; and the ecumenist heretics are, were and always will be outside the Church, the mystical Body of Christ. The decision of the ROCA Sobor in 1983, confirmed with no change to its universal wording in 1998, expelled these already self-condemned and Divinely condemned heretics also from the external organization of the Church - and woe to any man, of whatever Church, who despises that decision, for he will then surely fall under the same anathema"?" [4]

Parallel to the theory that anathemas are not universal in space is the theory that they are not universal in time either, that they have a "sell-by date", after which they need to be "reapplied" by "living" Synods of bishops.

In answer to this we reply in the words of the Lord: "God is not the God of the dead, but of the living" (Matt. 22.32), and his true bishops, together with the words of truth and power that they pronounce, live for ever. In any case, are not the anathemas of the Ecumenical Councils "reapplied" by "living Synods of bishops" every year on the Sunday of Orthodoxy? And not because these anathemas have somehow "died out" in the course of the previous year (what a blasphemous thought!), but precisely so that the people should not forget their eternal significance and should, by pronouncing them themselves, take care that they should not "fall under their own anathema" by participating in heresy and the communion of heretics.

[1] St. John Maximovich, "The Word "Anathema" and its Meaning", Orthodox Life, vol.27, March-April, 1977, pp. 18-19.

[2] St. Dmitri of Rostov, Lives of the Saints, November 25.

[3] St. Bede, Sermonon the Feast of Saints Peter and Paul, P.L. 94, col. 219.

[4] V. Moss, "Re: [paradosis] The Heresy of Universal Jurisdiction", October 12, 2000.

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XVI. Ecumenism

The ecumenical movement takes the Protestant vision of the Church for its guiding principle. Protestants consider that there is no one truth and one Church, but that every one of the numerous Christian denominations possesses a particle of truth, thanks to which fact it is possible, by way of dialog, to lead these relative truths to one truth and one Church. One of the methods of attaining this unity, in the understanding of the ideologues of the ecumenical movement, is the conducting of joint prayers and divine services with a view toward achieving communion from one chalice (inter-communion) with time.

Orthodoxy cannot in any way accept such an ecclesiology, for it believes and testifies that it is not in need of collecting particles of the truth, for the Orthodox Church is precisely the guardian of the fullness of the Truth given Her on the day of Holy Pentecost.

Nevertheless, the Orthodox Church does not forbid prayer for those who are outside communion with Her. By the prayers of the holy, righteous John of Kronstadt and the blessed Archbishop John (Maximovich), both Catholics and Protestants, Jews and Muslims, and even pagans received healing. But, in acting in accordance with their faith and request, these and our other righteous ones taught them at the same time that the saving Truth is only in Orthodoxy.

For the Orthodox, joint prayer and communion at the Liturgy are the expression of an already existing unity within the confines of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Saint Irenæus of Lyons (second century), laconically formulated this thus: "Our faith is in concordance with the Eucharist, and the Eucharist confirms our faith." The Holy Fathers of the Church teach that the members of the Church build up the Church - the Body of Christ - by the fact that they commune of the Body and Blood of Christ in the Eucharist. Outside the Eucharist and Communion there is no Church. Joint communion would appear to be a recognition that all who are communing belong to the One, Apostolic Church, whereas the realities of Christian history and of our time, unfortunately, point out the profound doctrinal and ecclesiological division of the Christian world.

The representatives of the contemporary ecumenical movement not only do not promote unity, but aggravate the division of the Christian world. They issue a call to go not by the narrow path of salvation in the confession of the one truth, but by the wide path of unification with those who confess various errors, about whom the holy Apostle Peter said that "by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of."

Until recently, the basically Protestant World Council of Churches called the Christians of the whole world to unity. Now this organization calls them to unity with pagans. In this sense, the World Council of Churches increasingly approaches the positions of religious syncretism. This position leads to an obliteration of the distinctions between religious confessions with the aim of founding one universal world religion, which would contain in itself something from each religion. A universal world religion implies also a universal world government with one economic order and one world nation - a mixture of all existing nations - with one leader.

If this occurs, the soil will be prepared realistically for the enthronement of Antichrist.

Let us recall the sadly notorious ecumenical prayer assembly, organized a few years ago in Assisi by the Pope of Rome, in which non-Christians participated. To which divinity did the religious figures who had assembled at that time pray? At that assembly, the Pope of Rome said to the non-Christians that "they believe in the true God." The True God is the Lord Jesus Christ, worshipped in the Triune Trinity. Do the non-Christians believe in the Holy Trinity? May a Christian pray to an indefinite divinity? According to Orthodox teaching, such prayer is heresy. According to the expression of the eminent Orthodox theologian, Archimandrite Justin Pópovich, it is "pan-heresy".

Orthodox participants in the ecumenical movement assert that, by their formal membership in the World Council of Churches, they are witnessing to the truth that lives in the Orthodox Church. But the open violation of the canonical rules witnesses not to a confession of the Truth, but to a trampling of the Church's Sacred Tradition.

How would the pillars of Orthodoxy, the Holy Fathers of the Church, Saints Athanasius the Great, Basil the Great, Gregory the Theologian, John Chrysostom, Mark of Ephesus and others react to the participation of Orthodox in the contemporary ecumenical movement?

Let us turn to hoary antiquity, to the life of Venerable Maximus the Confessor. Shown in it is how an Orthodox Christian ought to behave in the face of apostasy - mass desertion from Christ's truth.

"Wilt thou not enter into communion with the Throne of Constantinople?" the patricians Troilus and Sergius Euphrastes, the chief of the imperial table, asked Venerable Maximus the Confessor.

"No," replied the saint.

"But why?" they asked.

"Because," replied the saint, "the leaders of this church have rejected the enactments of the four Councils...they themselves have excommunicated themselves from the Church many times over and have convicted themselves of incorrect thinking."

"Then thou alone wilt be saved," they retorted to him, "while all others will perish?"

The Saint replied to this:

"When all men were worshipping the golden idol in Babylon, the three holy youths did not condemn anyone to perdition. They were not concerned about what others did, but only about them-selves, lest they fall away from true piety. And Daniel, when cast into the den, in precisely the same way did not condemn any of those who, in fulfilling the law of Darius, did not want to pray to God, but he kept his duty in mind and desired rather to die than to sin and be punished by his conscience for transgressing the Law of God. And may God forbid that I should condemn anyone or say that I alone shall be saved. However, I shall sooner agree to die than, having apostatized in some way from the right faith, endure torments of conscience."

"But what wilt thou do," the emissaries said to him, "when the Romans unite with the Byzantines? After all, two apocrisiaries arrived yesterday from Rome, and tomorrow, on the Lord's day, they will commune of the Immaculate Mysteries with the patriarch."

The Venerable one replied:
"If even the whole universe will begin to commune with the patriarch, I will not commune with him. For I know from the writings of the holy Apostle Paul that the Holy Spirit gives even the angels over to anathema, if they begin to preach a different Gospel, introducing something new."


In confessing ourselves to be Orthodox, we should remember that Orthodoxy is not at all a privilege, not a personal merit and not an occasion for the proud condemnation of others. We ought in every way to spurn such a path. We ought to be open with every-one, in order to help the multitude of heterodox, who are dissatisfied with the spiritual state of their confessions, to find the way to the truth. This means to associate with them, to invite them in, to give them an opportunity to see the unearthly beauty of the ancient Church that is preserved in Orthodoxy.

To confess Orthodoxy means to manifest humbly by one's life the fullness of the Truth in love and righteousness. Orthodoxy ought to conquer only by its radiance, as the Lord Himself, and by no means in arguments and by force. Orthodoxy is darkened by whomever is proud of it.

The truth of Orthodoxy is open for the sake of men's salvation, and not for their condemnation and chastisement. Orthodoxy is the sunlight that falls upon the earth. It shines for all who want to be warmed by its rays.

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Formally, according to one definition:
The word "ecumenism" (ek-yoo-muh-niz-uhm) is derived from the Greek oikoumene, which means "the inhabited world".
After all, we do have an ecumenical patriarch.

That said, the Church cannot belong to the wcc - the Church can only belong to Jesus Christ the Lord.

People belong to the wcc, and those who do are responsible for their Orthodox or unorthodox conduct. Rules for Orthodox participation in wcc were established but arguably participation should have been more strictly limited and controlled when it all began. Personally, I think participation in the wcc beyond a very narrow window of dialogue is heretical. On the other hand pure dialogue cannot be heresy!

Take a local example. Our Orthodox Church is 30 miles from my rural town. A local Orthodox farmer, not wishing to see eggs go to waste, gives them to the heterodox for distribution to the poor. Is the farmer heterodox? Dialogue is different from Holy Communion and joint prayer. Joint action is closer to communion than dialogue, yet what does charity demand?

We live in an age when the heterodox are falling apart. If we rip apart one another in schism, where will they go? The silliness of many in the wcc should make that apparent to all.

If the canon is strictly applied in this instance, should it not be strictly applied in all instances? So why Church Slavonic rather than English for example in America? Why a divided ethnic Orthodox Church in America with more than one Bishop per city? On and on one could go.

Arguably, the Ecumenical Patriarch as well as the other three historic Patriarchs should be excommunicated for having to pay off the Muslims at various times.

Have you ever eaten in a hotel restaurant with a bar? Have you ever read the canon against going to a Tavern? Obviously, the Taverns in those days were different from a hotel restaurant today.

Everyone who eats at HoJos - Anathema? At some point, the brain must be engaged. One must realize, do not go to a pickup joint.

A good argument could be made for calling the wcc a spiritual pickup joint. That is different from pulling out the canon and going bonkers.

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Why can't Orthodox farmers give eggs to the poor themselves? Don't they know any poor people. In Phoenix, the OCA operates its own mission to the homeless under a retired Priest. In times of great catastrophe or where resources simply fail, social cooperation could take place between Orthodox and heterodox, BUT the Orthodox witness must never be forgotten (AS IT IS IN the ecumenical movement of today--DOES THE FARMER KNOW THAT HIS EGGS ARE DISTRIBUTED IN HIS CONFESSION OF THE HOLY ORTHODOX FAITH?!). Moreover, would it be legitimate for the Orthodox to say cooperate with the human rights campaign or the neo-nazis for the sake of social work?! No. Morally depraved bodies are best avoided almost always. And the wcc and the ecumenical movement, as has been shown, is morally depraved, and this depravity has affected "Orthodox" (by their standards) participants and led them into lands Christ rejects. I have enough FAITH in the Orthodox Church to be able to reach the poor with alms, for it seemed to be doing fine before this great evil of ecumenism...There is no justification for evil.
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Dear AndyHolland,

I haven't been around here for very long, but I must admit that, in your posts, I have found a sensible balance of reason and diplomacy within the framework of what seems to me to be a firm adherence to the Faith. I just thought I ought to say that.

I have pointed a few people to this forum and they have been scared off because they perceive some people here as very unfriendly. I dread to imagine how many people have been frightened away from Orthodoxy if this was their first experience of it. Yet your posts, among those of others, seem to stand out as lights of humility and warmth among solid Orthodoxy. I admire that greatly and thought I ought to let you know that this doesn't go unappreciated.

With love in Christ,
Michael

[edited to add that I cross-posted with you, Kollyvas. I didn't mean to ignore your post].

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The Fathers who are glorified by Christ are our examples of humility and Orthodoxy. Christ set before us a narrow path by which they have led us to the gates of heaven. Disembarking from that path for the sake of coddling evil only alienates one from Christ. ecumenism is that great evil which condemns souls to hell.
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