The Saint Euphrosynos Cafe

haralampopoulosjc wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 2:13 pm

Philaret wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 1:57 pm

I am unaware of the GOC-K synodically rescinding the condemnation. Can you please direct me to where I can find it?

I'm pretty sure it's stated in their clarification document from 2016 regarding the 2014 Confession of Faith.

The 2016 GOC K confession of Faith allows no room for the teachings of Met Cyprian that stemmed from his “ecclesialogical theses” pamphlet.

I will concede that Met Agafangel has posted on social media certain “vague” statements that can certainly be interpreted as him holding to Met Cyprian’s views. I personally am interested to understand the context of these posts and in a perfect world, Met Agafangel would give clarity to his vague statements and posts. Abp Andronik of ROCANA has gone on record saying that Met Agafangel still holds to Met Cyprian’s views.

I will also concede that there are previous SiR clergy who violate the 2016 CoF by holding onto SiR baggage. This still doesn’t invalidate the current CoF that all of the bishops signed in 2016. If these clergy are privately holding these beliefs that doesn’t make the entire Body of the GOC under Abp Kallinikos heretical.

Theodore813 wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 2:57 pm

haralampopoulosjc wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 2:13 pm

I'm pretty sure it's stated in their clarification document from 2016 regarding the 2014 Confession of Faith.

The 2016 GOC K confession of Faith allows no room for the teachings of Met Cyprian that stemmed from his “ecclesialogical theses” pamphlet.

I will concede that Met Agafangel has posted on social media certain “vague” statements that can certainly be interpreted as him holding to Met Cyprian’s views. I personally am interested to understand the context of these posts and in a perfect world, Met Agafangel would give clarity to his vague statements and posts. Abp Andronik of ROCANA has gone on record saying that Met Agafangel still holds to Met Cyprian’s views.

I will also concede that there are previous SiR clergy who violate the 2016 CoF by holding onto SiR baggage. This still doesn’t invalidate the current CoF that all of the bishops signed in 2016. If these clergy are privately holding these beliefs that doesn’t make the entire Body of the GOC under Abp Kallinikos heretical.

Is there any evidence that the 2016 Confession was actually singed by all the bishops as the weaker 2014 statement was? The ties to Jerusalem and Moscow show that the weak 2014 statement is what is being implemented and 2016 is not being implemented. I am shocked to see Haralampopoulos the Matthewite sound like a Cyprianite. Why are so many individuals betraying traditional GOC ecclesiology, which in neither Matthewite nor Cyprianite?

Thomas_Deretich wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 3:55 pm

Theodore813 wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 2:57 pm

haralampopoulosjc wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 2:13 pm

I'm pretty sure it's stated in their clarification document from 2016 regarding the 2014 Confession of Faith.

The 2016 GOC K confession of Faith allows no room for the teachings of Met Cyprian that stemmed from his “ecclesialogical theses” pamphlet.

I will concede that Met Agafangel has posted on social media certain “vague” statements that can certainly be interpreted as him holding to Met Cyprian’s views. I personally am interested to understand the context of these posts and in a perfect world, Met Agafangel would give clarity to his vague statements and posts. Abp Andronik of ROCANA has gone on record saying that Met Agafangel still holds to Met Cyprian’s views.

I will also concede that there are previous SiR clergy who violate the 2016 CoF by holding onto SiR baggage. This still doesn’t invalidate the current CoF that all of the bishops signed in 2016. If these clergy are privately holding these beliefs that doesn’t make the entire Body of the GOC under Abp Kallinikos heretical.

Is there any evidence that the 2016 Confession was actually singed by all the bishops as the weaker 2014 statement was? The ties to Jerusalem and Moscow show that the weak 2014 statement is what is being implemented and 2016 is not being implemented. I am shocked to see Haralampopoulos the Matthewite sound like a Cyprianite. Why are so many individuals betraying traditional GOC ecclesiology, which in neither Matthewite nor Cyprianite?

I received confirmation from Bp Benedict that it was signed by all the bishops in attendance at the meeting. You’re free to email him or call him so you can call him a liar.

Theodore813 wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 4:27 pm

I received confirmation from Bp Benedict that it was signed by all the bishops in attendance at the meeting. You’re free to email him or call him so you can call him a liar.

Sounds pretty straightforward to me!

Wasn’t he ordained a bishop several years after the 2016 meeting?

Thomas_Deretich wrote: ↑Thu 22 January 2026 7:07 pm

Wasn’t he ordained a bishop several years after the 2016 meeting?

I assume his episcopal status was irrelevant to whether he knew it happened

My problem with Charlemagne as a saint is that the church even in his own time understood he wasn’t a saintly person. There’s a reason why the Orthodox Church didn’t glorify him as a saint for 1200 years. Probably it was that his court was well-known for adultery. He never married his daughters off and had a weird relationship with them. Many saints had visions of Charlemagne in hades. He was a fascinating king for sure and not an evil man - just not saintly.

As for a pan-Orthodox council, it probably won’t happen but that’s OK. The important thing is just to keep the faith in these times.