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From something Highlighted in red - assuming that was bad?:

kollvas wrote:

"Generally speaking, he said, all statements tended to affirm sexuality as instrinsically good and as a gift to be celebrated."*

Everything God made is intrinsically good, including the birds and the bees. After reading that "response" in red, seeming to indicate disapproval, I must admit I stopped reading the volumes after this. Now of course, if others at the wcc talked if illicit sexuality, that is different, but the Orthodox do not do that! Don't have time to wade through the volumes of what heretics say at those meetings. Stick to Orthodox authorities.

To the pure, all things are pure!

We must affirm what is good and true while we witness to all that is good and true - especially the Holy Gospel, Holy Scripture, Holy Tradition and the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.

We don't have to sell out to dialogue either.

All who are baptized in Christ have put on Christ. The true heresy is putting on Russian, Greek, Armenian, Ethopian, American etc..... Church. The Church belongs to God as the nations belong to God, not the other way around. Get over the Russolove, the Grecolove, the Serbiolove and put on the JesusChristLove! Yes, I love Russians, Greeks, Serbs and Americans - but not as much as Jesus Christ and Christians!

No wonder Heirarchs go to these ill advised meetings, they want some fresh air - away from the ghetto mentality. Yes, there are heretics at the wcc. That was never in dispute. Yes the wcc is in many ways a spiritual Sodom. So is www, Vav Vav Vav, 666 a spiritual Gomorrah.

What is in dispute is the compulsive need to literally darn everyone else on the planet, while we shrink wrap the Church that upholds the Universe around our own litte enclaves and petty, self centered opinions.

If the Orthodox Church had done what she was commanded to do, and go make disciples of Jesus Christ, she would not have this very real problem! Just like Peter eating only with the Jews, or those who tried to turn the Church into a 1st Century AD Jewish community center Judaism club complete with circumcision, we need to dump the ethnocentric heresy. It is the first Heresy after Gnosticism, and is sufficient to sink the Ark if we allow the barnacles of self-centerness eat through the hull!

Check the Scriptures and see - even Peter was justly rebuked as were those who wanted to force all into circumcision. If we are beyond reproach, we are beyond God's love for he chastizes those He loves.

We need to go out into the deep, and do as the Gospel says - Baptize in the name of the Holy Trinity in the language of the locals! We need to be fishermen, and cast the nets over the side once in awhile to haul in some fish. Jesus did not call lawyers first, or even the hierarchs, He called the fishermen who are revealed as all wise.

Jesus Christ is Lord - the Czar is not Lord - get over it (God bless the Czar)!

Deal with the people around you in love, and love them into Holy Orthodoxy - without compromising the faith. When in Rome, do as the Romans for their sake - because as a Christian you love them. Learn the Scriptures, and convert the Protestants to the true Faith by your love on a lampstand.

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PS. Sexuality is not bad. Sexuality outside of marriage is very bad because sexuality is good (made by God).

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Yawn. The talk was concerning the wcc & inclusiveness for homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, etc. To properly maintain discussion, one has to appreciate FLOW and point-counterpoint... If one is not concerned with what "heretics say," how can one issue apology after non sequiter apology (only to come back to points obliterated in contention earlier AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN with the same lack of understanding) for the wcc?! I guess it's only "some" protestants then. Mr. Holland, from this point forward I will make it a point to cut off all discussion with you on all topics, because it's pointless. Please reciprocate: I choose not to discuss anything with you nor be addressed by you, even points of agreement.
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Kollyvas wrote:

Yawn. The talk was concerning the wcc & inclusiveness for homosexuality, sex outside of marriage, etc. To properly maintain discussion, one has to appreciate FLOW and point-counterpoint... If one is not concerned with what "heretics say," how can one issue apology after non sequiter apology (only to come back to points obliterated in contention earlier AGAIN & AGAIN & AGAIN with the same lack of understanding) for the wcc?! I guess it's only "some" protestants then. Mr. Holland, from this point forward I will make it a point to cut off all discussion with you on all topics, because it's pointless. Please reciprocate: I choose not to discuss anything with you nor be addressed by you, even points of agreement.
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From St. Basil the Great:

To what then shall I liken our present condition? It may be compared, I think, to some naval battle which has arisen out of time old quarrels, and is fought by men who cherish a deadly hate against one another, of long experience in naval warfare, and eager for the fight. Look, I beg you, at the picture thus raised before your eyes. See the rival fleets rushing in dread array to the attack. With a burst of uncontrollable fury they engage and fight it out. Fancy, if you like, the ships driven to and fro by a raging tempest, while thick darkness falls from the clouds and blackens all the scenes so that watchwords are indistinguishable in the confusion, and all distinction between friend and foe is lost. To fill up the details of the imaginary picture, suppose the sea swollen with billows and whirled up from the deep, while a vehement torrent of rain pours down from the clouds and the terrible waves rise high. From every quarter of heaven the winds beat upon one point, where both the fleets are dashed one against the other. Of the combatants some are turning traitors; some are deserting in the very thick of the fight; some have at one and the same moment to urge on their boats, all beaten by the gale, and to advance against their assailants. Jealousy of authority and the lust of individual mastery splits the sailors into parties which deal mutual death to one another.

Think, besides all this, of the confused and unmeaning roar sounding over all the sea, from howling winds, from crashing vessels, from boiling surf, from the yells of the combatants as they express their varying emotions in every kind of noise, so that not a word from admiral or pilot can be heard. The disorder and confusion is tremendous, for the extremity of misfortune, when life is despaired of, gives men license for every kind of wickedness. Suppose, too, that the men are all smitten with the incurable plague of mad love of glory, so that they do not cease from their struggle each to get the better of the other, while their ship is actually settling down into the deep.

Turn now I beg you from this figurative description to the unhappy reality. Did it not at one time appear that the Arian schism, after its separation into a sect opposed to the Church of God, stood itself alone in hostile array? But when the attitude of our foes against us was changed from one of long standing and bitter strife to one of open warfare, then, as is well known, the war was split up in more ways than I can tell into many subdivisions, so that all men were stirred to a state of inveterate hatred alike by common party spirit and individual suspicion. But what storm at sea was ever so fierce and wild as this tempest of the Churches? In it every landmark of the Fathers has been moved; every foundation. every bulwark of opinion has been shaken: everything buoyed up on the unsound is dashed about and shaken down. We attack one another. We are overthrown by one another. If our enemy is not the first to strike us, we are wounded by the comrade at our side. If a foeman is stricken and falls, his fellow soldier tramples him down. There is at least this bond of union between us that we hate our common foes, but no sooner have the enemy gone by than we find enemies in one another. And who could make a complete list of all the wrecks? Some have gone to the bottom on the attack of the enemy, some through the unsuspected treachery, of their allies, some from the blundering of their own officers. We see, as it were, whole churches, crews and all, dashed and shattered upon the sunken reefs of disingenuous heresy, while others of the enemies of the Spirit of Salvation have seized the helm and made shipwreck of the faith. And then the disturbances wrought by the princes of the world have caused the downfall of the people with a violence unmatched by that of hurricane or whirlwind. The luminaries of the world, which God set to give light to the souls of the people, have been driven from their homes, and a darkness verily gloomy and disheartening has settled on the Churches. The terror of universal ruin is already imminent, and yet their mutual rivalry is so unbounded as to blunt all sense of danger. Individual hatred is of more importance than the general and common warfare, for men by whom the immediate gratification of ambition is esteemed more highly than the rewards that await us in a time to come, prefer the glory of getting the better of their opponents to securing the common welfare of mankind. So all men alike, each as best he can, lift the hand of murder against one another. Harsh rises the cry of the combatants encountering one another in dispute; already all the Church is almost full of the inarticulate screams, the unintelligible noises, rising from the ceaseless agitations that divert the right rule of the doctrine of true religion, now in the direction of excess, now in that of defect. On the one hand are they who confound the Persons and are carried away into Judaism; on the other hand are they that, through the opposition of the natures, pass into heathenism. Between these opposite parties inspired Scripture is powerless to mediate; the traditions of the apostles cannot suggest terms of arbitration. Plain speaking is fatal to friendship, and disagreement in opinion all the ground that is wanted for a quarrel. No oaths of confederacy are so efficacious in keeping men true to sedition as their likeness in error.

Every one is a theologian though he have his soul branded with more spots than can be counted. The result is that innovators find a plentiful supply of men ripe for faction, while self-appointed scions of the house of place-hunters reject the government of the Holy Spirit and divide the chief dignities of the Churches. The institutions of the Gospel have now everywhere been thrown into confusion by want of discipline; there is an indescribable pushing for the chief places while every self-advertiser tries to force himself into high office. The result of this lust for ordering is that our people are in a state of wild confusion for lack of being ordered; the exhortations of those in authority are rendered wholly purposeless and void, because there is not a man but, out of his ignorant impudence, thinks that it is just as much his duty to give orders to other people, as it is to obey any one else.

So, since no human voice is strong enough to be heard in such a disturbance, I reckon silence more profitable than speech, for if there is any truth in the words of the Preacher, "The words of wise men are heard in quiet," in the present condition of things any discussion of them must be anything but becoming. I am moreover restrained by the Prophet's saying, "Therefore the prudent shall keep silence in that time, for it is an evil time," a time when some trip up their neighbors' heels, some stamp on a man when he is down, and others clap their hands with joy, but there is not one to feel for the fallen and hold out a helping hand, although according to the ancient law he is not uncondemned, who passes by even his enemy's beast of burden fallen under his load. This is not the state of things now. Why not? The love of many has waxed cold; brotherly concord is destroyed, the very name of unity is ignored, brotherly admonitions are heard no more, nowhere is there Christian pity, nowhere falls the tear of sympathy. Now there is no one to receive "the weak in faith," but mutual hatred has blazed so high among fellow clansmen that they are more delighted at a neighbor's fall than at their own success. Just as in a plague, men of the most regular lives suffer from the same sickness as the rest, because they catch the disease by communication with the infected, so nowadays by the evil rivalry which possesses our souls we are carried away to an emulation in wickedness, and are all of us each as bad as the others. Hence merciless and sour sit the judges of the erring; unfeeling and hostile are the critics of the well disposed. And to such a depth is this evil rooted among us that we have become more brutish than the brutes; they do at least herd with their fellows, but our most savage warfare is with our own people.

For all these reasons I ought to have kept silence, but I was drawn in the other direction by love, which "seeketh not her own," and desires to overcome every difficulty put in her way by time and circumstance. I was taught too by the children at Babylon, that, when there is no one to support the cause of true religion, we ought alone and all unaided to do our duty. They from out of the midst of the flame lifted up their voices in hymns and praise to God, reeking not of the host that set the truth at naught, but sufficient, three only that they were, with one another. Wherefore we too are undismayed at the cloud of our enemies, and, resting our hope on the aid of the Spirit, have, with all boldness, proclaimed the truth. Had I not so done, it would truly have been terrible that the blasphemers of the Spirit should so easily be emboldened in their attack upon true religion, and that we, with so mighty an ally and supporter at our side, should shrink from the service of that doctrine, which by the tradition of the Fathers has been preserved by an unbroken sequence of memory to our own day. A further powerful incentive to my undertaking was the warm fervor of your "love unfeigned," a and the seriousness and taciturnity of your disposition; a guarantee that you would not publish what I was about to say to all the world,—not because it would not be worth making known, but to avoid casting pearls before swine, My task is now done. If you find what I have said satisfactory, let this make an end to our discussion of these matters. If you think any point requires further elucidation, pray do not hesitate to pursue the investigation with all diligence, and to add to your information by putting any uncontroversial question. Either through me or through others the Lord will grant full explanation on matters which have yet to be made clear, according to the knowledge supplied to the worthy by the Holy Spirit. Amen.

I have felt betwixt and between defending the persons who are treated with such contempt in the Naval combat, and those who espouse Orthodoxy yet at the same time slander and defame others with unkind words of malice, pride and hate.

There is a difference between heresy and error. Until one walks on water, one should be careful not to judge others.

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Living Heresy in Ecumenism

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"That they all may be one" (Joh. 17,21)
Living Heresy in Ecumenism
Esphigmenou - a harassed Monastery

In broad parts of Christianity a positive attitude towards ecumenism can be observed. However, among the pracitcal realisation and handling of these seemingly so tolerant and peaceful ideals a - slightly saying - repressive tendency against the Orthodox Church as well as against other Christian communities can be noticed who do not want to accept ecumenism due to their moral attitude. A real escalation happened in the Holy Monastery Esphigmenou on Mount Athos, expressing more about ecumenism than theoretical explanations.

At patriarch Bartholomew’s directive this monastery has become utmostly harassed. The formation of conscience and the acceptance of an apparently ideologic ecumenism shall be forthrightly obtained by force. Regardless the fact, that the people’s will concerning this situation remains unheard, following points can be stated for this practice:

· It deeply contradicts all constitutional conventions, the UNO’s and European Community’s understanding of freedom of religion, autonomy of conscience and human dignity

· It is a fiasco regarding its own theological persuasions representing the foundations of ecumenism which imply freedom of religion and autonomy of the conscience

· It is not compatible with all dialogical statements (mutual and among each other) between the Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Pope and the reformatory religious communities

· It is a pre-modern and therefore not bearable example of clerical arrogance and mischief of power which can only be expected of pre-modern societies.

The last point illumines not only the inner position of the church but goes even beyond to legal problems of the state church (not only) in Greece.

The state cannot be a representative and surveiller for the formation of philosophical opinion and conscience. Of course it has to protect the development of opinion according to modern constitutional understanding as well as the right of every citizen for shelter against offences of extreme ideologies, threatening the existence of a democratic constitution.

However, what kind of danger can emanate from a monastery that does not like to accept ecumenism? How can we understand the state’s constitutional self-conception tied up to a forced simplification of theological attitudes and conscience by the church?

This kind of practice is rather only known to us from the history of totalitarian systems. These incidents prove the intolerant and to some extend repressive tenor of ecumenism. With the aid of state law and in parts by ecclesiastical legal means, organisations that cannot or do not want to accept ecumenism are being combated. It must be pointed out that traditional oriented believers of the Orthodox Church in fact reach their limit of tolerance – after all, a remarkable fact for the 21st century!

Actually, the question whether ecumenism presents an adequate theological position in this conflict about the monastery does not play any role at all. It is obvious, that it is not a theological or religious problem but it is all about oppressive structures of an inner church fight for power, answering with totalitarian and repressive means against people with different thoughts, in order to force them to a unified ideological path. It is very easy to get this impression in reading the main ideas of ecclesiastical statements regarding ecumenism. In this respect, the writings of the Roman Pope and the ecumenical patriarchs take a certain priority. All their documents prove a deep persuasion of ecumenism. Both stress the importance that a unification process should keep their authentic tradition of every single church community and group involved, and should respect and tolerate each individual moral attitude. No unification without truth, gained in a dialogue – this is the ecclesiastical tenor of ecumenism.

However, in the church’s every day live nothing of it can be found.

Supposedly, all adversaries of ecumenism, all traditionalists in the East and West would be completely wrong in their theological position and attitude about church policy: First of all they do not more than to keep, cultivate and maintain once set as valid and determined liturgical, ethnical and ecclesiastical attitudes (often under considerable victims): Due to which basis would it be allowed to force them to change their attitude, even by means of legal authority? Albeit, theological criterions should be mentioned that are accepted through their publicity: Ecumenism is very young in its ideological form. It has not proved itself at all, there does not exist any consens for it within the whole church at all. In opposite to the striving towards unification of the Christians of the Truth, the proper and adequate ecumenism, the ideological ecumenism - also in its practice - takes a radical position. Nor a democratic society neither any kind of church, understanding itself as contemporary modern, can agree with this position without loosing its credibility.

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At last some facts rather than hype:

http://euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6285

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Ecumenism and the Ecclesiology of Saint Cyprian of Carthage

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Ecumenism and the Ecclesiology of Saint Cyprian of Carthage
by Fr. Daniel Degyansky

Saint Cyprian of Carthage developed with fearless consistency a doctrine of the complete absence of Grace in every sect which had separated itself from the True Church. His doctrine is one of the basic foundation blocks of Orthodox ecclesiology and it stands in direct opposition to the presuppositions of the ecumenical movement. Moreover, his warnings about the enemies of the Church have traditionally guided Orthodox in their response to those outside Her fold:

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Not only must we beware of what is open and manifest, but also what deceives by the craft of subtle fraud. And what can be more crafty, or what more subtle, than for this enemy...to devise a new fraud, and under the very title of the Christian name to deceive the incautious. [139]

Saint Cyprian’s warnings about enemies of the Church who call themselves "Christians" in order to destroy the Faith can be applied to many of those who support unity through the contemporary ecumenical movement. The fact that such application is seldom made gives us evidence of just how far contemporary ecumenism has removed some Orthodox from the criterion of truth that is their Faith.

The essence of Saint Cyprian’s reasoning lay "in the conviction that the sacraments are established in the Church." That is to say, they are effected and can be effected only in the Church, in communion and in communality. Therefore, every violation of communality and unity in itself leads immediately beyond the last barrier into some decisive outside. To Saint Cyprian every schism was a departure out of the Church, out of that sanctified and holy land "where alone rises the baptismal spring, the waters of salvation." [140] Saint Cyprian was adamant in his position with regard to the Church’s rejection of the validity of an heretical sacrament:

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For it is no small and insignificant matter which is conceded to heretics, when their baptism is recognized by us; since thence springs the whole origin of faith and the saving access to the hope of life eternal. And the divine condescension for purifying and quickening the servants of God. For if any one could be baptized among heretics, certainly he could also obtain remission of sins. If he attained remission of sins, he was also sanctified.[141]

Saint Cyprian felt that if the True Church recognizes the sacraments of those outside of Her realm, She gives credibility to heretics and schismatics:

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For if they shall see that it is determined and decreed by our judgement and sentence, that the baptism wherewith they are there baptized is considered just and legitimately in possession of the Church also, and the other gifts of the Church; nor will there be any reason for their coming to us, when, as they have baptism, they seem also to have the rest. But further, when they know that there is no baptism without, and that no remission of sins can be given outside of the Church, they more eagerly and readily hasten to us, and implore the gifts and benefits of the Church, our Mother, assured that they can in no wise attain to the true promise of divine grace unless they first come to the Truth of the Church.[142]

The teaching of Saint Cyprian on the Gracelessness of those outside the True Church is directly related to his teaching on unity and communality: "Therefore, we ought to consider their faith who believe without, whether in respect of the same faith they can obtain by grace, for if we and the heretics have one faith, we may also have one grace." [143] Strictly speaking, the theological premises of Saint Cyprian’s teaching have never been rejected. At the same time, neither has the Orthodox Church ever unequivocally applied Saint Cyprian’s conclusions. In fact, the First Canon of Saint Basil, if carefully analyzed, suggests that the issue of schism and heresy is more complex, in practical terms, than the theory of Saint Cyprian would suggest. Thus the canonical norms of the Orthodox Church do not state that schismatics are in all circumstances without Grace. Ecumenists have used Saint Basil’s position, at times, to defend their activities (though in the course of deviation from correct Orthodox teaching, it must be noted, many Orthodox ecumenists have come to believe that "schism" and "heresy" are terms without meaning, except when they can be used to berate those Orthodox who oppose the ecumenical movement). In fact, however, the ecclesiological teachings of Saint Cyprian complement and stand side by side with those of Saint Basil, since they are unified by the function of "economy," by which the theoretical exactness of Saint Cyprian’s teaching is rendered effective in the oikonomia of practical application.

Thus, there are those who quite wrongly think that the Church has in some instances acknowledged that the sacraments of sectarians, and even of heretics, are valid. They wrongly assume that the Church admits that sacraments can be celebrated outside of the strict canonical limits of the Church—a perilous assumption, indeed. The Church, for example, may under extraordinary circumstances accept adherents from sects, and even from heresies, not by way of Baptism, but rather by Chrismation or even by their simple profession of our Orthodox Faith. But in so doing, She does not recognize, as some theologians incorrectly assert, what is outside Her domain; rather, by "economy," the Church, being the Pan–Mystery, as Archimandrite Justin expresses it, creates Grace where there was no Grace, filling the empty form of a mystery (sacrament) unknown to Her. At the same time, before the emergence of whole bodies of Christians separated from the historical Orthodox Church, there were times when those who had lapsed in their Faith even for a generation were received back into the Church without being Baptized. But here, too, it was the correct form of their empty mysteries which the Church accepted, not the validity of their sacraments. By "economy," then, the primacy of the Church was extended beyond Herself to create Grace in what was done outside Her boundaries. But in so doing, in no way whatsoever did She accept what was beyond Her boundaries. She acted beyond the Canons, but not in violation of them:

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As a mystical organism, as the sacramental Body of Christ, the Church cannot be adequately described in canonical terms or categories alone. It is impossible to state or discern the true limits of the Church simply by canonical signs or marks.... In her sacramental, mysterious existence the Church surpasses canonical measurements. For that reason a canonical cleavage does not immediately signify mystical impoverishment and desolation. All that Saint Cyprian said about the unity of the Church and the sacraments can be and must be accepted. But it is not necessary, as he did, to draw the final boundary around the body of the Church by canonical points alone.[144 ]

Saint Augustine of Hippo, espousing opinions clearly outside the consensus of the Church Fathers, wrote that within the sects and divisions of Christianity the "union of peace" had been broken and torn asunder, but in their mysteries the "unity of the Spirit" had not been terminated. This shows, as Father Florovsky observes, "the unique paradox of sectarian existence: the sect remains united with the Church in the grace of the sacraments, and this becomes a condemnation once love and communal mutuality have withered." [145] Thus, Saint Augustine directly affirmed "that in the sacraments of sectarians, the Church is active; some she engenders of herself, others she engenders outside, of her maid–servant, and schismatic baptism is valid for this very reason, that it is performed by the Church." [146] According to Saint Augustine, then, "the Holy and Sanctifying Spirit still breathes in the sects, but in the stubbornness and powerlessness of schism healing is not accomplished." [147]

Ecumenists have used Saint Augustine’s thought to confirm that there are valid sacraments outside the Orthodox Church. By the same token, those opposed to ecumenism have concluded from the same thought that the rites of the schismatics are not sacraments, but a blasphemous caricature thereof. Some Orthodox conservatives affirm, indeed, that salvation can be found only within the confines of the Orthodox Church, thus arguing that all schismatics are condemned to damnation. The conclusions of the ecumenists are absolutely incorrect. The Orthodox Church accepts no sacrament outside of Her boundaries except, again, as empty forms. Moreover, Saint Augustine is writing about the undivided Christianity of an age which knew nothing of the hundreds of sects which constitute the Christian world of our day, many of them so far removed from the historical Church and Her rich doctrines that only by their belief in Christ can they be defined as Christians. It is an act of intellectual dishonesty to use his words about sects and heresies in the ancient Church as though they applied clearly to contemporary times. Nor, as we have pointed out, is the thinking of Saint Augustine about the validity of the sacraments of heretics and sectarians in agreement with the Patristic consensus or internally consistent.

At the same time, it is wrong for "conservatives" to interpret the words of Saint Augustine in such a way as to suggest that the Orthodox Church compromises the Providence of God. The Church has always affirmed the dominance of love within the confines of Her exclusive claims that only in Her bosom does salvation rest. Because of God’s love, the Orthodox Church can at once proclaim that salvation is possible only for Orthodox Christians and, at the same time, refuse to compromise Divine Providence by condemning all others to damnation. And because of the love which prompts the Church in Her mission, She at times reaches out in the spirit of "economy" to fill with Her exclusive Grace the empty forms of non–Orthodox religious acts. In so doing, however, the Orthodox Church never, until the advent of ecumenism, acknowledged the validity of any sacrament outside Her boundaries.

In many ways, the Orthodox Church cannot accept the precepts of modern ecumenism because they also violate the spiritual teachings of the Fathers about personal integrity as a foundation for ecclesiastical validity. In the fourth century, Saint Ephraim the Syrian said, "Pride does not permit a man to accept the teachings handed down by Tradition." [148] The Orthodox tend to see separation and disunity in Christianity not as the result of a tragic process of mutual alienation, but of pride and sin. Thus, the second major schism in Christianity, the Great Schism of 1054, can be seen in the following way:

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By the anathema against papism the Church proclaimed that the pope and his followers abandoned the Church, lost the Truth (which is Christ), and were submerged in the depths of error from which Christ came to free them. Their teachings were declared a delusion of the Evil One, and a poison to the souls of men, and any communication with them makes us like them by cutting us off from the Grace of God, from His Holy Church, and estranges us from the path of salvation, placing us rather on the road to perdition.[149]

The root causes of heresy and schism, then, are the intransigence and sin of prideful men. Heresy and schism do not just happen; they are caused. They rise out of spiritual delusion, spiritual disease, and alienation from the ways of God and His Church. Deviation from Orthodox Truth in the form of ecumenical activities has had a negative effect on the Church, as though to prove that schism and heresy are not the products of misunderstanding, but of the willful deviation of wrong believers from the True Church. For instance, Orthodox theologians have come to reject the Canons of the Church, so that they can justify their ecumenism. Thus the late Archpriest John Meyendorff, a well–known spokesman for Orthodox in America, dismisses the Canons which forbid joint prayer with heretics as archaic and no longer applicable to the Church. He claims that these Canons were intended to apply to prayer with conscious apostates from the True Church, "and not sincere Christians who never personally left it." [150] Thus individual responsibility for wrong belief becomes an inessential part of Christian confession—a novel idea, indeed. By the same token, not a few Orthodox theologians and Hierarchs are beginning to see a place for Orthodoxy in the ecumenical "branch theory."

While claiming to love the Orthodox Faith, they violate their promises at Ordination to defend the Truth and instead openly state that the Orthodox Church is just as guilty of divisiveness as the heretics and schismatics who separated themselves from the Church of their own free will. Again, to hold such views or to participate in ecumenical activities which champion such ideas is to deny the existence of the True Church and Christ’s earthly presence. Thus one who participates in such ecumenism perforce denies Christ.[151] Ecumenism, in short, has led many Orthodox to deny the very existence of Christ as we Orthodox understand Him.

Endnotes

  1. St. Cyprian of Carthage, The Unity of the Church (Mahopac, NY: Kursk–Root Icon Hermitage, n.d.), p. 3.

  2. Florovsky, Ecumenism I , p. 36.

  3. St. Cyprian of Carthage, "Epistle to Jubianus," in Vol. 5 of The Ante–Nicene Fathers, ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson (Grand Rapids, MI:Eerdmans Publishing Co., 1986), p. 382.

  4. Ibid., p. 385.

  5. Ibid., p. 380.

  6. Florovsky, Ecumenism I , p. 37.

  7. Ibid., p. 42.

  8. Ibid., p. 41–42.

  9. Ibid., p. 42.

  10. "Stolen Doctrines," The Orthodox Christian Witness, Vol. 19, No. 29 (17/30 March 1986), p. 3.

  11. Alexander Kalomiros, "The Anathema of 1054" (Seattle: St. Nectarios Educational Series, No. 69).

  12. Meyendorff, Witness, p. 46.

  13. Lev [Archbishop Lazar] Puhalo, "Can One be an Ecumenist without Denying Christ?," Orthodox Life, Vol. 24, No. 3 (May–June 1974), p. 33.

From Orthodox Christianity and the Spirit of Contemporary Ecumenism, by Fr. Daniel Degyansky. (Etna: CA, The Center for Traditionalist Orthodox Studies, 1997 [1992]), pp. 76-83.

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