The Saint Euphrosynos Cafe

Incognito1583 wrote:

PriestMark, the sad fact of the matter is that when I ask where the Church is, I get virtually as many opinions here as there are people.

I don't deny that, nevertheless, you must find out which of them speaks the truth. Christ's Holy Church will be manifest on earth until His dread second coming. Strive with all your being to be a member of it before then, yea, before your own passing.

Incognito1583 wrote:

This is all subjective and reminiscent of evangelical Christianity --- which we are headed for unless we put a stop to this anarchy right now. But we won't because people are too disobedient and prideful.

Again, I don't see any anarchy in the Church, nor do I see disobedience or pride in her hierarchs. As I said before, "I get the impression that you have never met an Orthodox bishop."

Incognito1583 wrote:

There is something wrong with Gregory -- either mentally or spiritually or both.

You say this, yet I hear his voice in most everything you have posted here. Therefore how can I help but have the view that you hold the opinions of someone whom you say is mentally or spiritually ill? Can you see this?

I have nothing in common with Gregory whatsoever. We are on opposite ends of the spectrum.

I have met several Orthodox bishops and even ate with them and talked with them. The one thing they all have in common, is that they are egotistical megalomaniac psychopaths. They have no concept of love, no concept of humility, and no obedience (to Christ, and the rules of the Church), and no commitment (to the truth). They are also the greatest pathological liars I have ever seen in my life. They think because they are bishops, they are above God's laws; that they are somehow immune to making mistakes. This is the spirit of pharisaicalism which killed Christ by putting Him on the cross. History repeats itself. And what we see today is the same thing occuring on the religious seen that occured at the time of Christ. In fact, Christ had the hardest time with the religious leaders of his day.

If that is what you have seen, then once again I submit that you have never met an Orthodox bishop. Do you not have ears to hear what I am saying? Those whom you describe are obviously not Orthodox bishops, no matter what they call themselves.

I don't think we are allowed to talk about bishops, so I'm sorry for what I said. But I wonder how many of them were actually canonical bishops. Anyway, Archbishop Gregory has very successfuly refuted the Mathewite errors on his website. I wonder how many Matthewites here have actually read everything he said.

Did you not read what Fr Mark posted? It clearly shows Gregory of Colorado's "refutes" against the matthewites are a pack lies.

I strongly suspect that Incognito is projecting his own personal father transference issues onto the Church Fathers and hierarchs. Everyone tends to do this to some extent. Several years ago, I was feeling angry at my parents, and a wise Orthodox priest said to me during confession, "You must try to remember that God is your Father, and the Theotokos is your mother." It had a profound effect on me. The same priest once said to me, "In this life, everyone will ultimately disappoint and forsake you except for Our Lord Jesus Christ."

Constantine wrote:

Did you not read what Fr Mark posted? It clearly shows Gregory of Colorado's "refutes" against the matthewites are a pack lies.

Just because you claim something is a lie, does not prove anything. You need evidence and argument. How do I know Mark isn't lying? You need to be able to demonstrate why you believe something is a lie. Gregory's arguments are solid and stand unrefuted to this day. Matthew was an uncanonical schismatic, and was himself ordained by those he later condemned. His own ordination was invalid by his own reasoning.