The Saint Euphrosynos Cafe

"Kosmas, can you please answer my question, In 1948,besides Bishop Matthew, can you name me ONE just ONE, other bishop in Greece that believed the apostloc succession of the GOC should continue or was available to assist? "

I believe as Metropolitan Chrysostomos believed that it is better for Apostolic Succession to be kept intact than to mix it with anything less than holy. He tried as I am sure others to unite all the Greeks back under the Old Calendar however since this was not ordained by God and as a respecter of things holy, he declined to create a "new jurisdiction" by breaking Canons.

It is my opinion that Metropolitan Chrysostomos +1955 was the last canonical bishop of Old Calendarist Greeks and that Bishop Matthew was not capable of passing Apostolic Succession since he suffered a stroke, was paralyzed, and no other Bishop from Greece or ANYWHERE could celebrate the Mystery of Ordination with him. It is my belief that God Himself prevented Bishop Matthew from passing Apostolic Succession back in 1948.

PriestMark, can you please tell me where the Orthodox Church is? I can ask two people here the very same question, and walk away with two totally different answers. Again, this is NOT the legacy Christ left the world. You will give me your OPINION and someone will give me their own. There are no facts in Orthodoxy. Christ left us with an objective Church easy for everyone to find. But Orthodox people don't seem to have a clue where on earth it is. They don't know anything with certainty. They don't even know with certainty where grace is and is not. Again, this is not what Christ left us with.

Constantine Stated:

Again I ask you,In 1948,besides Bishop Matthew, can you name me ONE just ONE, other bishop in Greece that believed the apostloc succession of the GOC should continue or was available to assist?

MY RESPONSE: I don't understand that question. You can accuse Archbishop Gregory of slander all you want. Proving it is an entirely different issue. You people never have facts. You thrive on un-proven conspiracies, lies, gossip and slander, accusations of foul play, forged texts, etc.

I'm sorry for losing it lastnight. I've been taking some herbal pills from my local health food store that are supposed to be alleviating stress and anxiety. They seem to have been causing me more agitation lately. I'm throwing them out.

Kosmas wrote:

I believe as Metropolitan Chrysostomos believed that it is better for Apostolic Succession to be kept intact than to mix it with anything less than holy.

You believe? What authority do you have? Why do you even think your opinion means anything? Orthodoxy is not a free-for -all for peopel to decide these kind of issues.

Kosmas wrote:

It is my opinion that Metropolitan Chrysostomos +1955 was the last canonical bishop of Old Calendarist Greeks and that Bishop Matthew was not capable of passing Apostolic Succession since he suffered a stroke, was paralyzed, and no other Bishop from Greece or ANYWHERE could celebrate the Mystery of Ordination with him. It is my belief that God Himself prevented Bishop Matthew from passing Apostolic Succession back in 1948.

Your opinion? Why do you assume your opinion even means anything? Christ did not delegate any authority to you. I'm telling you people, this is nothing but protestant fundamentalism dressed-up in Greek garb. You believe like the Russian priest recently told me that he BELIEVES (no one knows anything with certainty in Orthodoxy) that ROCA did not lose grace when with Cyprian. WHO CARES WHAT HE BELIEVES? Who does he think he is? Perhaps if there were certainties and FACTS in Orthodoxy today, there would not be so many schismatics running around. We need a leader to bind all these people together. Orthodox people do as they please and what is right in their own eyes. There is no infallibility in Orthodoxy, even as there is no infallibility in protestantism. We are headed right down the same road.

I agree with you about the Matthewites, but this is all way too subjective.

I believe as Metropolitan Chrysostomos believed that it is better for Apostolic Succession to be kept intact than to mix it with anything less than holy

Apostolic Succesion can only exist in a church, Met Chrysostomos, did not believe the GOC was a church but a resistance, and he several time announced that he would never consecrate bishops, that is a promise he mad to the nc.

It is my opinion that Metropolitan Chrysostomos +1955 was the last canonical bishop of Old Calendarist Greeks

OK, whatever you think, but that means his flock disobeyed him, met chrysostomos on his deathbead instructed his flock to go under the omophorion of the matthewite bishops, if met chrysotomos believeing the matthewites were schismatic and graceless, then that means he was sending his flock to spiritual suicide.

Also quick question, if he died saying the new calendar had grace, would you think of him different?

I wish people would answer my questions and objections. I asked why Father Seraphim was a saint. One reason I was given was because he lived in extreme poverty. I responded so what? All monks live in extreme poverty. Why is Father Seraphim singled out? You have to do better than that.

If Father Seraphim didn't have an M.A. degree, never learned Russian or translated and written any books, the Russian Orthodox world would never have payed any attention to him. He would just be another monk.

The spirit of the world is in contemporary Orthodoxy. They esteem the rich, wealthy and those most like Greeks or Russians.

Orthodoxy would be totally united today if men could find it within themselves to be obedient to God and the rules of the Church. Orthodoxy allowes too much egotism. There is too much freedom and virtually no accountability and authority.

Men destroy everything they touch. Men are evil. They destroyed the Orthorox Church. You people can't even tell me where the Orthodox Church is with certainty and authority. You can only give me opinions. And your opinion contradicts the next man.

These bishops have got to get together, comb through their differences and work on a plan for unity.

They don't care or are oblivious to the fact that they are causing scandal to good people. I can't even go to church today because men destroyed these churches. Mankind is evil.

"Apostolic Succesion can only exist in a church, Met Chrysostomos, did not believe the GOC was a church but a resistance, and he several time announced that he would never consecrate bishops, that is a promise he mad to the nc."

Agreed. He promised he would not consecrate another and he kept it.

"OK, whatever you think, but that means his flock disobeyed him, met chrysostomos on his deathbead instructed his flock to go under the omophorion of the matthewite bishops, if met chrysotomos believeing the matthewites were schismatic and graceless, then that means he was sending his flock to spiritual suicide.
Also quick question, if he died saying the new calendar had grace, would you think of him different?"

I was not there with him in those final moments before his soul was separated from his body. I can only "guess" what he was experiencing before he orphaned his flock. I only know that Metropolitan Chrysostomos tried to unite all the Greeks back under the Old Calendar and was persecuted from the zealot New Calendarists and rebuffed by the zealot Matthewites. Only the Lord Jesus Christ can correct the scandal of the last Century. Pray that He returns soon.

P.S. This will be my last reply on Incognito's whatever page since she thinks that personal opinions and men in general are evil. Maybe she's right.

Peace Constantine and thank you for being patient with me.
-Kosmas