What to do about Islamic Expansion in US?

[George]

Dear in Christ Brendan,
To be silly about the question you asked me - they would have a hard time bringing their family into my house - it isn't a house, it is a small one bedroom flat, smaller than the flat I lived in in Japan and just as expensive in rent!
More seriously though, yes, I do lock my door, and it is a shameful thing in many ways. Half a century ago in this country most people would not have done so. The fact is, I am selfish about my possessions, and don't want other people to come in and take what I assume is mine (though I only have it through the grace of God). It is sin on my behalf, because in the end, none of the possessions I have 'belong' to me. Along with many other sins, love of luxury, possessiveness and judging others are big sins of mine.
George

[brendan]

Yes brendan, the big foreign boogey man is coming to raid your fridge, rape your women, steal your money etc....

You still haven't answered my question.

You see, this is the sort of paranoid delusion one falls into when they are unchurched so much that they can't even recognise basic Liturgical phrases like "Come, recieve the Light".
You're not Orthodox at all, are you brendan?

I never claimed to be an expert on Liturgical phrases, but I am a Chrismated member of the OCA.

[brendan]

Dear in Christ Brendan,
To be silly about the question you asked me - they would have a hard time bringing their family into my house - it isn't a house, it is a small one bedroom flat, smaller than the flat I lived in in Japan and just as expensive in rent!

The size of your home isn't the point. I've known of Mexicans who lived ten to a room. Would you be agreeable to, say, allowing just four immigrants move in with you?

More seriously though, yes, I do lock my door, and it is a shameful thing in many ways. Half a century ago in this country most people would not have done so. The fact is, I am selfish about my possessions, and don't want other people to come in and take what I assume is mine (though I only have it through the grace of God). It is sin on my behalf, because in the end, none of the possessions I have 'belong' to me. Along with many other sins, love of luxury, possessiveness and judging others are big sins of mine.

George, you lock your door because you are sane and, despite your rhetoric, understand that the world is full of people who have few qualms about taking things that belong to someone else. But by leaving your door unlocked would you not also be tempting a weak person into committing a sin? This works both ways. By making yourself an easy target, you are also causing people to sin who might not otherwise do so.

With the America's lunatic open floodgates policy of immigration and indiscriminate welfare system, most any immigrant will be corrupted and seduced into some form of parasitical lifestyle. I've seen this happen both with poorly-educated colored immigrants and white European immigrants with college degrees. If one plays the game right, its not a bad lifestyle. One immigrant spouse gets a part time job to make a little cash, you all live in government housing, collect welfare payments, and you can even spend your days lounging at the public library or taking college courses without end. And, of course, your kids get free college educations too. All this paid for by the US tax suckers. Such a deal!

[George Australia]

You still haven't answered my question.

You didn't ask me a question....I'm George in Australia, not New Zealand

I never claimed to be an expert on Liturgical phrases, but I am a Chrismated member of the OCA.

One doesn't need to be an expert in Liturgical phrases- provided they are Churched. Surely you've attended Paschal Matins? I'd find it very peculiar if you haven't. Even so, I've just been informed by pm that the name of the Radio Program is in fact "Come Recieve the Light"- so you seem to be very opinionated when you don't even know what it is you are opinionated about. You must be an expert on immigration policy, because you talk an awful lot about that- however I've yet to see one quote from a Father or Scripture which justifies your 'immigration policy', which is strange, since this is an Orthodox Christian forum.

[George]

Dear in Christ Brendan,
I don't know if it is because of sanity that I lock my door or not! I think it is more habit, and something which you are told to do as a child and don't question it. It is quite sad.
I agree that leaving doors unlocked can lead another person into temptation and sin.
I certainly can not comment on the American welfare system, but I know ours has been abused seriously (and still is) - more by born and bred Kiwis than immigrants, but any system is open to abuse.
I wish that I were a more compassionate person, and more of a Christian that I could honestly say I would open my doors to immigrants or someone in need, but unfortunately I expect that I will be with the goats on the left side.
George

[brendan]

You still haven't answered my question.

You didn't ask me a question....I'm George in Australia, not New Zealand

Ok, my mistake. We have a George from Australia and a George from New Zealand. I'll try to keep you both separated in my mind.

One doesn't need to be an expert in Liturgical phrases- provided they are Churched. Surely you've attended Paschal Matins? I'd find it very peculiar if you haven't.

I think I attended once at another parish when I was there for something else. My parish only has Liturgy on Sunday.

Even so, I've just been informed by pm that the name of the Radio Program is in fact "Come Recieve the Light"- so you seem to be very opinionated when you don't even know what it is you are opinionated about.

George, you are free you believe whatever you want. I have listened to the show a few dozen times, but not lately. As far as I know its the only Orthodox internet radio show. I may be wrong and will be glad to be corrected.

You must be an expert on immigration policy, because you talk an awful lot about that- however I've yet to see one quote from a Father or Scripture which justifies your 'immigration policy', which is strange, since this is an Orthodox Christian forum.

Yes, I am interested in the immigration problem, but what I mentioned had to do specifically with Muslim immigration and the Orthodox respnse. I was told that this was a topic of discussion at a recent Orthodox clergy meeting in Chicago. I think it was other people who diverted the topic to general immigration. I'm just going with the flow of the discussion.

I haven't seen anyone produce any quotes from Scripture or the Fathers to justify allowing one's country to be overrun by parasitical and lawbreaking immigrants. God created the nations, didn't he? Can there be nations if there can be no borders? And can there be a border if it means nothing? Also what quotes can you produce to justify the government basically taking money from me by force or intimidation and giving it to people who I would rather not have it and/or who refuse to support themselves? Christian charity is not at the point of a gun. And if you don't think its at the point of a gun, refuse to pay your taxes. Eventually if you resist long enough, the government will kill you or, at least, take everything you own and lock you up. Tell me what's Christian about that system?

[George Australia]

Christian charity is not at the point of a gun. And if you don't think its at the point of a gun, refuse to pay your taxes. Eventually if you resist long enough, the government will kill you or, at least, take everything you own and lock you up. Tell me what's Christian about that system?

Hang on a minute, just a moment ago you said your spiritual father would not advise you to disobey the law in accepting 'illegal aliens', and now you say the law is unChristian in demanding taxes? Oh I see- it's unChristian to pay taxes, but it is Christian not to welcome strangers......hmmm- who's face and inscription is on your money- God's or Ceasars? "Give to Ceasar what due to to Ceasar, and to God what is due to God"- I'd say that was a pretty clear instruction to pay taxes to the state, wouldn't you? Strange that a Chrisimated Orthodox Christian should be so unfamiliar with the Gospel Commandments....perhaps the OCA needs a little revision of it's catechism.