Does the Roman Catholic Church really take this marriage-divorce thing seriously still? I constantly see them getting married inside of Court and/or marrying outside of their religion to Jews, Muslims, or atheists and yet they aren't being excommunicated or anything.
JamesR wrote:Does the Roman Catholic Church really take this marriage-divorce thing seriously still? I constantly see them getting married inside of Court and/or marrying outside of their religion to Jews, Muslims, or atheists and yet they aren't being excommunicated or anything.
The Roman Catholic Church rarely uses formal excommunications, as most excommunications are incurred automatically if one does a particular act. For example, when I converted to Orthodoxy, I incurred an ipso facto excommunication, but my Orthodox Priest absolved me from any excommunications incurred at my first confession.
JamesR wrote:Does the Roman Catholic Church really take this marriage-divorce thing seriously still? I constantly see them getting married inside of Court and/or marrying outside of their religion to Jews, Muslims, or atheists and yet they aren't being excommunicated or anything.
They do take seriously “this marriage-divorce thing,” if they are genuine traditional Catholics. However, nowadays, truly traditional Catholics are few and far between.
Nadir
Maria wrote:JamesR wrote:Does the Roman Catholic Church really take this marriage-divorce thing seriously still? I constantly see them getting married inside of Court and/or marrying outside of their religion to Jews, Muslims, or atheists and yet they aren't being excommunicated or anything.
The Roman Catholic Church rarely uses formal excommunications, as most excommunications are incurred automatically if one does a particular act. For example, when I converted to Orthodoxy, I incurred an ipso facto excommunication, but my Orthodox Priest absolved me from any excommunications incurred at my first confession.
Was this because your Orthodox priest was OCA? I don't understand why a convert to Orthodoxy needs to be absolved of an excommunication by The Roman Catholic Church.
Lydia wrote:Maria wrote:JamesR wrote:Does the Roman Catholic Church really take this marriage-divorce thing seriously still? I constantly see them getting married inside of Court and/or marrying outside of their religion to Jews, Muslims, or atheists and yet they aren't being excommunicated or anything.
The Roman Catholic Church rarely uses formal excommunications, as most excommunications are incurred automatically if one does a particular act. For example, when I converted to Orthodoxy, I incurred an ipso facto excommunication, but my Orthodox Priest absolved me from any excommunications incurred at my first confession.
Was this because your Orthodox priest was OCA? I don't understand why a convert to Orthodoxy needs to be absolved of an excommunication by The Roman Catholic Church.
It was part of a general absolution that included the lifting of curses, bans, and excommunications. I do not remember hearing this absolution since, so it must have been one for receiving new converts.
I wish an Orthodox priest could visit this thread and share his experience.
Does the Roman Catholic Church really take this marriage-divorce thing seriously still? I constantly see them getting married inside of Court and/or marrying outside of their religion to Jews, Muslims, or atheists and yet they aren't being excommunicated or anything.
The Roman Catholic Church rarely uses formal excommunications, as most excommunications are incurred automatically if one does a particular act. For example, when I converted to Orthodoxy, I incurred an ipso facto excommunication, but my Orthodox Priest absolved me from any excommunications incurred at my first confession.
Was this because your Orthodox priest was OCA? I don't understand why a convert to Orthodoxy needs to be absolved of an excommunication by The Roman Catholic Church.
It was part of a general absolution that included the lifting of curses, bans, and excommunications. I do not remember hearing this absolution since, so it must have been one for receiving new converts. I wish an Orthodox priest could visit this thread and share his experience.
When I came to the Orthodox Church, as a new convert, I went through the Catechumen service which is the renouncing of the former faith. That's when you blow three times to the West to reject satan and you verbally reject satan three times and accept Jesus Christ three times. This can be done apart from Holy Baptism or on the same day as Holy Baptism (as was for our new soul Maxime). I was made a Catechumen 9 months before my actual baptism.
If you had only confession, then you must of at least had the anointing prior, right? Some bishops believe that anointing with Holy oil is all that is needed.
Personally, I agree with the bishops that support a full baptism because, let's face it, the RC sprinkles. It's not a baptism that St. John the Baptist did and that Jesus Christ accepted. And the word, in Greek, baptiso (vaptiso) signifies a submersion under water with repetition. And Jesus Christ told the Apostles to vaptiso in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Three times. Hence, the Orthodox tradition of baptism.
joasia wrote:Does the Roman Catholic Church really take this marriage-divorce thing seriously still? I constantly see them getting married inside of Court and/or marrying outside of their religion to Jews, Muslims, or atheists and yet they aren't being excommunicated or anything.
The Roman Catholic Church rarely uses formal excommunications, as most excommunications are incurred automatically if one does a particular act. For example, when I converted to Orthodoxy, I incurred an ipso facto excommunication, but my Orthodox Priest absolved me from any excommunications incurred at my first confession.
Was this because your Orthodox priest was OCA? I don't understand why a convert to Orthodoxy needs to be absolved of an excommunication by The Roman Catholic Church.
It was part of a general absolution that included the lifting of curses, bans, and excommunications. I do not remember hearing this absolution since, so it must have been one for receiving new converts. I wish an Orthodox priest could visit this thread and share his experience.
When I came to the Orthodox Church, as a new convert, I went through the Catechumen service which is the renouncing of the former faith. That's when you blow three times to the West to reject satan and you verbally reject satan three times and accept Jesus Christ three times. This can be done apart from Holy Baptism or on the same day as Holy Baptism (as was for our new soul Maxime). I was made a Catechumen 9 months before my actual baptism.
If you had only confession, then you must of at least had the anointing prior, right? Some bishops believe that anointing with Holy oil is all that is needed.
Personally, I agree with the bishops that support a full baptism because, let's face it, the RC sprinkles. It's not a baptism that St. John the Baptist did and that Jesus Christ accepted. And the word, in Greek, baptiso (vaptiso) signifies a submersion under water with repetition. And Jesus Christ told the Apostles to vaptiso in the name of the Father, and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Three times. Hence, the Orthodox tradition of baptism.
When I was first received into World Orthodoxy, I was chrismated with chrism, confessed, given absolution, and then communed. 15 years later, I was baptized into True Orthodoxy as the GOC neither recognizes Catholic baptism nor chrismation given by clergy in World Orthodoxy.