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Post by romiosini »

joasia wrote:

With all due respect Joshua,

There are many priests in ROCA that don't accept any re-interpretations. Time will tell if these priest will go with the flow or stand up for the true suffering Russian Orthodox.

Don't clump everybody in one basket. The division of the ROCIE is problematic enough. As a laity, I don't need anymore rebel priests and monks to contend with. They are just confusing the issue.

I'm sick and tired of these divisions. Why do grown men have to act like such selfish children?? I wish St. John Maximovich was here. He would be a true guiding light.

Good saying Joanna! /\
If only people were like Saint John, then there wouldn't be silly schisms... Sadly today, no one has made perfect obedience to the Church's Canons, like Saint John has.

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Re: Joshua

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A n i a ? wrote:

Joshua,
Just want to let you know that as a daughter and grandaughter of ROCOR clergy, having grown up in Jordanville, I gotta tell ya that amoung quite a few of the ROCOR clergy considered both the members of the MP & Catacombs persecuted. Now as facts become more known about persecutions amoung the MP, including the clergy, more people are prone to be more understanding. I remember 15 years ago, when I started to pay attention to church politics (barely off my father's knee, but still, little ears...) there was talk about it even then.

My background is quite a different, but when I was in Sunday School I heard about persecutions of Christians in Russia, namely the incarceration and even execution of American evangelicals smuggling bibles into the country. Truly amazing sacrifice, and something that speaks to the image of God in us, but it doesn't mean they were any less heretical. I never meant to suggest the MP wasn't persecuted. However, you can't go and seek out a dozen or so heretics (living churchers) and have them elect a patriarch willing to co-operate with the authorities and not end up with something that's just plain wrong. The entire history of the MP is a grand tragedy, with many little tragedies and a few small victories.

Francis Bacon wrote that some minds see distinctions while others are inclined to see similarities and generalize, and that both distinctions and similarities are part of balanced judgement; if I might be permitted to step out of character and generalize for a moment, I would say that cradle Orthodox seem to me to have a tendency to see the similarities and ignore important differences, while converts tend see the differences and ignore the similarities. Converts are self-selecting distinguishers - they are those who have discerned the difference between the heterodox and the Orthodox. While some converts take this too far and end up completely alone, a lot of people born into Orthodoxy seem to me to lack a critical sense of discernment and fail to take notice of important differences between, say, the spiritual legacy of Metropolitan Joseph and that of Sergius.

I'll stop rambling - it's the end of a 22 hour day - got to love exam season!

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Post by 尼古拉前执事 »

This thread got wildly off-topic, so I split the thread. The questions of if ROCiE or ROCA-V is a schism ans whether or not Metropolitan Vitaly is mentally fit to be First Hierarch of ROCOR-V has been moved to here: http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... php?t=3568

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