Racial Pride/Tribalism and Orthodoxy. Are they compatable?

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I'm amazed at their high welfare rate, alcoholism rate, abuse rate, AIDS rate, crime rate, illegitimacy rate, and school drop-out rate.

My mom's side of the family is 100% white "American" and 6 out of 7 of those things you mention + drug abuse are prevalant in HER side of the family. "White" America is just as messed up as Hispanic immigrants.

BTW-MAny Mexicans FROM Mexico comprise some of THE most upstanding, hard-working, family oriented people I know. More so than ANY white bread Americans.

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Nicholas wrote:

Where did you read that? Mormon Monthly or White Power Monthly?

Apparently you don't keep up to date on this topic. Surely you've heard of the Kennewick Man? And there have been other similar discoveries of people who lived in N. America before the Indians.

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Brendan--

The Europeans who came here found the "Indians" didn't make any distinction between Kennewicks man's decendants who came in the first immigration wave and the "Asiastic hordes" (settled mostly in the West) who came in the next two waves.

For the most part, European colonists (English, French or Spanish) felt the only good Indian was a dead one or an exiled or enslaved one, Kennewick descended or not.

On the other hand, white Christian missionaries in both North and South America tried to protect the Indian from the rapacious European colonists. The Cherokees managed to develop their own writing (without European or Christian help) and became civilized. But that wasn't good enough for the white Georgians who imprisoned the white missionaries for preaching Christianity to them (Georgia ruled that the missionaries preached as sedition), and shortly afterwards, then robbed the Cherokees of their land exiling them to Oklahoma, even though the Supreme Court had ruled in their favor.

The Jesuits helped the Paraguaian Indians to reach a level of civilization with sophisticated art , music and culture that is still spoken of by the Indians as "the golden age" before Spanish and Portuguese slavers destroyed it.

Not to mention the Indian Christian colony that was wiped out by drunken whites in Ohio that damaged Christian missionary efforts for several decades in the 19th century.

Bartolome de Las Casas was the first missionary to write and preach against the abuses of the whites against the Indians (Kennewick descended or not). Current international law is based upon his arguments that the Indian is not inferior to the white, especially in regard to receiving the blessings of Christian grace.

Give up it. Give up the white power nonsense--become a Christian.

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Hey Brendan,

I laughed so hard when you said my description of white American culture of the present day is racist. I'm white so I can't be racist against my own race and culture! LOL You are killing me.

Brendan, why not post some statistics? Hispanic people may have higher rates of the things you describe but that is due to higher rates of poverty. Here in New York I know or know of many succesfull Hispanics who are doctors, lawyers, etc.

Why should I go to Mexico for Hispanic culture when I can get it here in NY?

And your comment about there countries being so messed up--hardly the fault of their culture. More like economicly being taken advantage of for centuries and not coming from a democratic tradition (Spanish colonization vs. English). Things are turning around now.

There was a reason I decided to marry a European immigrant (Slovak). That's because many (not all) of the white American girls had no idea what family is all about. It takes Catholic or Orthodox culture to get that. Mainline Protestantism, which is the basis of the USA's culture, is a family-destroying force that encourages individualism. Catholic/Orthodox culture is family and community centered. I'll take that any day.

Hispanic people are so awesome, you should really get to know some.

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Post by Hexapsalms »

Brendan is clearly not interested in converting whites to Christianity, but to whiteness, as if skin color or "racial" culture has any saving value at all. He is trolling for race "converts".

Clinging to race may buy him some priviledges and defensive turf in this dying world (what he really wants), but it's absolutely useless in the Kingdom to come--where there will be no Jew nor Greek.

The whole issue boils down to this--what should the TRUE Christian really desire--special priviledges in this fractious world that is dying or full citizenship in the next world that is eternal?

brendan

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user_397 wrote:

I wearily conclude that Brendan MUST be Nordic -- what on Internet boards is called "a troll."

No, I'm not Nordic.

brendan

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user_18 wrote:

Brendan, why not post some statistics? Hispanic people may have higher rates of the things you describe but that is due to higher rates of poverty. Here in New York I know or know of many succesfull Hispanics who are doctors, lawyers, etc.

I could post some statistics, but whenever posted evidence to support my claims concerning Jews, people complained about that.

Hispanic people are so awesome, you should really get to know some.

People like you always presume that I don't know any hispanics. The fact is I lived in Texas and Florida for many years. I've been around a lot of hispanics. I don't say they're all bad, but they certainly have their problems. I don't think America is improved by the numbers of them who are coming.

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