WWOC-why people is staying in wourld "ortodoxy"

Feel free to tell our little section of the Internet why you're right. Forum rules apply.


Incognito1583
Member
Posts: 273
Joined: Sat 5 July 2008 5:34 pm

Re: WWOC-why people is staying in wourld "ortodoxy"

Post by Incognito1583 »

Joanna Higginbotham wrote:

Yes, that is true. But He will be the one to determine where grace is and not you. You don't have your new eyes yet.

God has already determined where grace is; namely, in the Church. God would never will that anyone be where grace is not. God wants all people in the Church, where grace is. I don't go where I feel the most welcome, accepted or where I like. I go where God wants me, and He wants me in His one true Church. Mankind must come to God on His terms, not our own. It's not about me. It's not about you. It's all about God and where He wants us. And He does not want us in a graceless organization.

Joanna Higginbotham

WWOC-why people is staying in wourld "ortodoxy"

Post by Joanna Higginbotham »

Joyous Feast of the Dormition!
I'm praying your search be over soon. Please pray for me, too.

Incognito1583
Member
Posts: 273
Joined: Sat 5 July 2008 5:34 pm

Post by Incognito1583 »

From your blog:

"(Zeenews) Moscow, July 24: The Orthodox Church in Russia is under growing pressure to make former Soviet dictator Josef Stalin a saint if he wins a popularity poll to nominate the greatest Russian in history."

Response: This is what I was talking about! Just because a person is Russian or powerful (wealthy) does not make them a saint! This is disgusting. People do not make saints. God does. Those Russians are an afront to God and an abomination before His eyes.

May the Lord rebuke Patriarch Alexy and the Moscow Patriarchate.

I will never, ever step foot inside one of their parasynogogues.

ORTHODOXY OR DEATH

Last edited by Incognito1583 on Thu 28 August 2008 11:48 pm, edited 1 time in total.
Incognito1583
Member
Posts: 273
Joined: Sat 5 July 2008 5:34 pm

Post by Incognito1583 »

The world loves its own. Stalin the greatest Russian in history? Are those people out of their minds?

Joanna Higginbotham

WWOC-why people is staying in wourld "ortodoxy"

Post by Joanna Higginbotham »

Yes, it is just disgusting. As if the truth is something that can be decided by vote.

I'm waiting to see if Stalin really gets canonized or not. Some well-meaning people have been manipulated into thinking it is a good idea. But there is still strong resistance to the idea, especially among the older people who still remember the real history. The Communist party may have to do another generation's worth of "re-educating" before they can hope to pull this off. I believe they have the power to push it through now. But without enough support from the people, forcing it through would backfire on them. Too many people would be jarred out of the delusion about the supposed "symphony" between church and state in the neo-Soviet Union.

The Body of Christ is more than its hierarchs, whether those hierarchs are real or fakes. The Faith remains hidden in the 'catacombs' of human hearts. It's this that the Communist party has to tip-toe around. An older Russian woman, who speaks English rather well, told me,

"My father would always tell us: We need the Church. And the Church needs a priest. But the priest is just a man, and every man does things differently. You do what you know is right."

American converts are taught quite differently. We are told such "self-will" is "disobedience" and "prideful". Before the union I had a short conversation with a ROCOR-MP priest wherein I commented that I can't always tell between right and wrong. His answer was:

"You don't have to know. Just do what your spiritual father (ie: parish priest) tells you. Whether it is right or wrong will be on his head."

(Is it any surprise this was a short conversation?)

This, is maybe another reason why people stay in World Orthodoxy. They were never taught to follow or develop their own conscience in regard to the Faith, but instead to be "obedient".

Incognito1583
Member
Posts: 273
Joined: Sat 5 July 2008 5:34 pm

Post by Incognito1583 »

"Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets." [Luke 6:26].

Those Russians are what I call Potluck Christians. They don't really love God or Orthodoxy. They just go to church to socialize. Church is just habit for them. These are the same kind of people who follow the new calendar, ecumenism, and support all the modernist innovations. Their "Orthodoxy" (if one can call it that) is limited to Sunday. They don't love strangers, they never give alms to homeless people. In a nutshell, they are an abomination before God. They have all the exteriors of religiosity, like the ancient pharisees, but they have never had a heart conversion to Christ. They have never been born again from above. They do not have the mind of Christ, and do not think His thoughts. They are still wallowing in the filth of the world, and cannot detach from the pleasures of the passions.

Joanna Higginbotham

WWOC-why people is staying in wourld "ortodoxy"

Post by Joanna Higginbotham »

Saint John was not infallible. Metropolitan Philaret is also incorrupt, and he denied the MP had grace. How do you reconcile this contradiction?

I don't. How could I argue with either St, John or Blessed Philaret?

But it is clear by the examples of these saints, who we know are in heaven, that whether you believe the MP can or can't have grace is not a requirement for entry into heaven.

Both St. John and Blessed Philaret (St. Philaret) are in heaven and they did not leave us with the same teaching on who does and does not have grace.

So, should we sit down and decide which saint was more correct? How absurd an idea! Too much THINKING. Nobody thinks their way into heaven.

Let us instead use the "contradiction" to lift our understanding . To lift our prayers to the heaven where both St. John and St. Philaret dwell.

Please pray for me, too.

Post Reply