On Headcoverings and Modesty of Women in Church

[Miriam]

Seraphim Reeves:
Interesting comments. I'm working on my responces to your comments, however there is one thing I would say to you ... there is a certain danger in analysing things by single lines ... often you see the "trees but miss the forest". Looking at one line without it's partners, can make you take things out of context. I see some of that in the way you have dissected my initial post. It reminds me of the Jehova Witnesses when they knock on my door.

[Seraphim Reeves]

Interesting comments. I'm working on my responces to your comments, however there is one thing I would say to you ... there is a certain danger in analysing things by single lines ... often you see the "trees but miss the forest". Looking at one line without it's partners, can make you take things out of context. I see some of that in the way you have dissected my initial post. It reminds me of the Jehova Witnesses when they knock on my door.

It's called quoting - I am obviously only going to quote a few lines at a time, if all I want to do is make clear exactly what point I'm addressing.

Seraphim - care for a copy of "The Watchtower"?

[Julianna]

I can play with pretty sparklers next to a gas station and probably get out fine, but I'm not about to try it.

Seraphim

[Julianna]

What, hard to believe that women look too? We're not blind ya know.

Of course women look at men all of the time. We humans are visual creatures compared to other animals. People who don't believe that women don't "check guys out" are totally out of the loop when it comes to human nature.

I think the point is that thankfully, much of mens clothing is modest. Not all, but more than womens. If I go to the mall, I will see a majority of the young women either wearing skin tight shirts, skirts or jeans, skirts that barely cover their buttocks, low necklines to show cleavage, cropped top shirts that expose the belly, pants so low that the hips show or something covering the chest that it only tied by shoestring width material in the back. Sadly you see girls as young as 7 or 8 wearing the exact same things!

These are fashions of the devil, surely!

Most young men I see are wearing loose fitting shorts or pants and a t-shirt or a button-down shirt over a tanktop or t-shirt. But I admit some young men do dress quite immodestly, it just seems to be more of a female problem.

Exactly. Fashion teaches little girls that they've gotta be sexy to be of any worth.

[Julianna]

What about those of us who are single? Aren't we allowed to work? I love it when non-single people go on their high horses about this. I don't think there is anything wrong with admiring beautiful. If God wants to send me to hell for doing so, then so be it.

huh?

[Julianna]

Men are the greatest feminists at times.

"Lazy men in refusing to be men and making their women act like men and support them are the greatest cause of our backwards feminist culture"

[Liudmilla]

Part of the problem that exists with the looking lies within the way that we look at and interpret the writings of the elders of the church. Most of, if not all, the writers were monastics who were addressing problems encountered in their pursuit of the "passionless" life. The thing we forget is that not all of mankind was made to pursue the "passionless" life. Some of us were made for "love". For us love is the central aspect of our being... love for others, love for children, love for spouse, etc. For us, I believe, is given the fight against anger, hatred, prejudice and evil. Emotions such as love, compassion, amd pity become our weapons to fight evil.

We go through life in such a hurry, striving to live, to be that we often forget to stop and comtemplate the beauty of the world created, and that includes the people within it. One can look at something, or someone and admire their beauty without all the negative emotions.