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If you were participating in the formation of an Orthodox community, what type of community would it be?

1) Reclusive, Amish-like, no modern conveniences, self-sufficient, agriculturally based, etc.

3
7%

2) Semi-reclusive, both farming & business, some modern conveniences, etc.

13
28%

3) Quiet (but not reclusive), normal modern conveniences, normal secular jobs permitted, etc.

15
33%

4) Missionary, all the normal modern conveniences, secular jobs permitted, etc.

9
20%

5) You are all crazy, this idea is a bad one.

2
4%

6) While the idea is workable, I couldn't possibly be involved.

4
9%
 
Total votes: 46

Justin Kissel

Post by Justin Kissel »

I'm glad things are going so well /\ :) I'm waiting to hear back from a priest on the idea (I hope he writes back anyway :) ); look forward to the discussion in the meantime.

John, are you interested just in discussing, or in actually doing sometime in the future? :) Just asking to make sure. Also, could you tell us a bit about your family (at least the size)? I think the more people that are interested in this, the more likely it is to work (or to get a blessing). A heavy load on few shoulders equals problems, I think.

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Well, I'm very interested, but barring an unusual blessing of God (financially) we're stuck where we are for the next couple of years it looks like.

I'm 39, my wife is 37, and we have four sons, ages 10, 11, 13, and 16.

Another thought: while a reasonably long growing season is to be looked for, I think as far as income goes, something besides farming should be pursued. Especially if there are no born & raised farmers in the group. It occured to me as well that even here in this winter wonderland of NY, there are and have been a multitude of communites, from the Shakers to the Bruderhoffers, to the "Island Pond" folks. All supporting themselves more by some sort of industry than by farming. I say that not to push my own area as a possibility (I think there would be church trials here unless an english parish was formed from the outset) but to point out that close proximity to churches needn't be sacrificed for the sake of farming concerns.

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JohnMarq wrote:

Well, I'm very interested, but barring an unusual blessing of God (financially) we're stuck where we are for the next couple of years it looks like.

Can't let this stand without some correction... I consider us to be in a unique and very special situation now as far as church, community, and location goes.

My use of the word "stuck" was unfortunate. "Happily bound" would be better ;)

But, what's being spoken of here has long been an ideal for us, so my interest does go beyond a personally-detached discussion.

-John

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Post by Mary Kissel »

I just wanted to say that I'm glad to see that we have some posters on this thread who are serious about wanting to do this. I really want to do this, but I'm letting the final decision be up to my husband as I said before. :)

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Post by Innocenti »

As a new participant in this website/discussion forum, I would like to add my two cent's worth. I have considered this possibility ever since converting to Holy Orthodoxy five years ago, and have spent a lot of time discussing this with my spiritual father, who would also like to see something like this happen, but we both despair that one could find enough people in America that are sufficiently motivated to make this work.

One thing that I think has been overlooked here though, is the example of our predecessors in Holy Russia...many of the towns/cities of Russia were basically at one time monasteries/hermitages, around which those who sought to know what God wanted for his people managed to settle and work out an existence. The nucleus was the monastery, it was the 'magnet' if you will, that attracted the 'iron'. This is Orthodox Community, the 'flesh' of the Church assembled around the 'backbone' of Monasticism. I believe that any attempt to form a community of this sort that does not FIRST look for a worthy spiritual community to revolve around would be asking for trouble at best, and would at worst, be doomed to failure. BTW, this also serves to alleviate the problem of "finding" a priest, since the monastery itself provides what is needed to sustain the work of the temple.

Don't concentrate so much on the 'hows' of support and sustenance. A man who truly wants to can work and support his family in many different circumstances/situations/locations. Humans have carved out existences in all regions from the Arctic to the heat of the Sahara and everything in between. That is not the problem, the problem is finding people who more than anything else, desire to make their lives revolve around the Church and the cycle of Services. Everything else is secondary. Everything else is really just an adjunct to the main issue. It is not Peasantry or Pleasantry that is the issue, it is assembling a community of believers. That can be done with or without electricity, with or without internet access (without which we wouldn't be having this discussion), with or without 'regular' professions and jobs. You could even shop at a Kroger's or Wal-Mart Super Store and still accomplish a simple, loving, Christ centered lifestyle, (as long as you make it back in time for Vespers!!).:wink:

Justin Kissel

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Welcome to the forum! :) I think you bring up some very interesting points!

ROCOR currently has monasteries in Georgia, Michigan, New York, Washington, and West Virginia; and convent in California, New York, and West Virginia. Does anyone have any thoughts on any of these?

The West Virginia one is particularly interesting as they have a monastery, a convent, AND a mission parish already set up. When I get a chance to (in the near future), I'm going to try and visit the monastery there.

(You can find out more information about ROCOR's monastic communities here. The nettinker.com site that lists all the monasteries seems to be down, unfortunately. :( )

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Post by bogoliubtsy »

There is also a little known Wester Rite ROCOR monastery in Rhode Island.

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