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[Barbara]

Is there any EVIDENCE for the cloaked monastics from Norway setting foot in the future America ?

It's certainly interesting but sometimes these claims get exaggerated.
What does anyone think about the likelihood of this claim ?

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Viking-era Orthodox Christians in North America are pretty much a certainty. There may or may not really have been monks. Since missionary work is in line with what monks would have attempted, I believe it on that basis alone. The historical record of travels to the West exists and the only reason to deny it is the usual arbitrary scepticism of Reddit-tier losers. The same types who deny that Christ existed, deny that Phoenicians came to Sub-Saharan Africa, deny that Egyptians sailed around Africa, deny that Marco Polo* could have gone to China, deny that there could have been a global flood, deny the real historic records of dragons which we today would call dinosaurs, etc., etc., etc. Anything not in their accepted version of history is rejected for supposed lack of evidence without considering the passage of time and the intentional destruction of evidence, which evidence is quite clear despite the destructiveness of historical vandals who, not accidentally, turn out themselves to have been sceptics when you look them up.

We don't think of the Western movement of the Norse so much today because it failed. Expeditions to the coastal mainland and/or nearby islands did not have lasting civilisational impact. There was a well-established colony in Greenland which ultimately failed when the Medieval Warm Period ended and the climate became too harsh for the type of lifestyle they were practising. Most left; some went completely native and merged into the population we know today as the Greenlandic people.

Even long before them Romans are known to have arrived in the Americas. Not intentionally we think, but a shipwreck is the kind of physical evidence which is hard to deny.

In any event, the Norse were probably not the first Christians. They were there, but methinks St. Brendan the Navigator beat them by centuries. Why haven't you read of him in history? Why don't we have as good and as early accounts? Consider that pagan Vikings conquered and enslaved Ireland in the time between when St. Brendan travelled and when later, Christian Vikings travelled.

*Keeping in mind that inaccuracies in the tale are known, but that it was retold second hand and that the false claim of him having been a governor in China is believed to have been a mishearing of the Italian-language statement that he lived there. It would have been harder at the time to concoct such a story, when access to accurate information about China was much more limited than today.
**Keeping in mind also that St. Brendan probably visited an island and not the mainland, and Leif Erikson may have visited the mainland, and that perhaps the island St. Brendan visited was an Atlantic island rather than a Caribbean one, in which case the Norse were first in the Americas (Greenland excluded). And if anyone tries to deny that Caribbean islands count, keep in mind that is where Columbus went.

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[Barbara]

Fascinating ! I had heard of some of this but hadn't put the pieces together like that, and especially not in the proper sequence.

It sounds like you are right !

What stories have you heard about Romans arriving in North America ? You said a shipwreck but whereabouts ?

Yeah ! Definitely, about the meme ! I did some investigating about Pam Bondi, i should write some of it on the political thread.

She's way worse than anybody who doesn't know her really well could realize, is the bottom line.

[eish]

A Roman shipwreck with amphorae was discovered by Rio de Janeiro in the 80's. IIRC there is some other archaeological signs as well but I don't remember it all off the top of my head. Coins, I think, or something like that. The problem is that if the sceptics can just dismiss the amphorae as something which must have been planted, then they can dismiss anything they want. “I reject all your evidence out of hand. Oh look, there's no evidence.”

It makes far more sense than people think. It sounds outlandish but people forget how much further to the east South America is than North America. Brazil is in line with Greenland. It's just a short hop from Africa.

Re: Pam Bondi. I trust none of the snakes in that administration. However, it is very interesting I recently read (but did not yet confirm) that she was the very same prosecutor who maliciously prosecuted George Zimmer and intentionally stoked (effectively created) the whole BLM riot movement. When I look that up and if true, that would take my opinion of her from a house snake to a puff adder.