The Desperate Days of the 2016 False Council

[Agios_Irineos]

Moscow is trending liberal as well. Simply look at Kirill's recent meeting with the pope which a genuine Orthodox Patriarch would not have done, and then the two heretics issued a heretical joint-declaration together. The EP and the MP are birds of a feather, flocking together. Neither are Orthodox, they are both liberal and equally unworthy of any serious attention. They are both Masons and traitors to Christ.

I didn't say either were Orthodox, nor did I say they were worthy of attention. This is a thread about an ecumenist, world orthodox event, and the ecumenist things they do and the political goings on that dominate their worlds as opposed to matter of faith. By definition, they are unworthy of discussion as to their orthodoxy. But since this is the world orthodoxy board, it is perfectly appropriate.

Nonetheless, you are conflating their Ecumenism with the political liberalism that I was referring to. You are not going to hear the MP speak favorably about abortion as the EP did. Politically, the OCA power structure is a den of liberals. They are far closer to the politics of the EP than that of the MP.

[Barbara]

That answer is excellent. But it's good, too, that Cyprian mentioned all that he did because someone arriving here without knowing True Orthodox political standpoint might get a wrong impression ; Cyprian set straight any reader of this thread who is venturing to E.Cafe for the first time and is unfamiliar with OUR politics !

Fr Irineos, the EP has spoken out in favor of abortion ?? Just once quietly ? Or a few personages have stated things which showed tacit acceptance of that evil practice ? Or worse still ?

[Barbara]

Father, back to your eye-opening answers to my questions. I remember when Maria posted Fr Arida's outrageous essay. I paid no attention, brushing him off as a wild-eyed extremist with no support. You are saying that perhaps he is not alone but has people in agreement in high places in the OCA ? And perhaps at any or all levels of the beleagured jurisdiction ?

By the way, I didn't realize that the OCA is much smaller and less wealthy than the GOA. I pictured the OCA as well off. Of course, in comparison with most of our True Orthodox jurisdictions, parish life in the OCA is luxurious with catered trapezas, etc. I never have attended a GOA parish particularly, so I didn't know that this jurisdiction is the goose that laid the golden egg for the EP. Helpful insight, thank you.

The maxim of "follow the money", meaning in order to understand worldly events, surely applies to analysis of these Church complexities !

[Agios_Irineos]

Fr Irineos, the EP has spoken out in favor of abortion ?? Just once quietly ? Or a few personages have stated things which showed tacit acceptance of that evil practice ? Or worse still ?

Read this shocking statement:

http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstt ... -patriarch

[Cyprian]

I don't believe I am conflating anything.

Kirill of Moscow and Bartholomew of Constantinople are both Masons, like the Pope: agents of a homosexual and pedophile cabal. Their chief loyalty is to the secret society that installed both of them to their respective appointments. They are not independently minded, and they are not allowed to voice their own opinions, political, religious, or otherwise. All their public acts, stances and posturings are scripted in advance, and they simply do what they are instructed to do.

If there appears to be seeming political differences between Moscow and Constantinople, know that it is all scripted and contrived, just as it was contrived for Moscow not to attend this sham council in Crete.

Any apparent political differences are mere theater designed to deceive folks into believing that the patriarchs of World Orthodoxy are free to act independently, when nothing is further from the truth.

The same secret society that installed Bartholomew also installed Kirill. If necessary, I could share what actors and what films and tell-a-vision shows revealed foreknowledge of the installments of both Bartholomew and Kirill. Hollywood knew both of these characters were going to be installed as patriarch many years in advance.

Since both are subject and beholden to the self-same global secret society which placed them in power, their apparent or supposed policy differences or power struggles are totally scripted and contrived in order to deceive.

There was a TV show called Perfect Strangers (1986-1993), and that tell-a-vision show is all about Bartholomew. Actor Bronson Pinchot is Patriarch Bartholomew on that show.

Perfect Strangers (TV series)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_S ... TV_series)

Greek-American actor Telly Savalas is another actor used by Hollywood to allude to their plans for Pat. Bartholomew. Anthony Quinn is another famous actor Hollywood used to represent popes and patriarchs. I could list several more examples.

[Agios_Irineos]

I don't believe I am conflating anything.

If necessary, I could share what actors and what films and tell-a-vision shows revealed foreknowledge of the installments of both Bartholomew and Kirill. Hollywood knew both of these characters were going to be installed as patriarch many years in advance.

Since both are subject and beholden to the self-same global secret society which placed them in power, their apparent or supposed policy differences or power struggles are totally scripted and contrived in order to deceive.

There was a TV show called Perfect Strangers (1986-1993), and that tell-a-vision show is all about Bartholomew. Actor Bronson Pinchot is Patriarch Bartholomew on that show.

Perfect Strangers (TV series)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_S ... TV_series)

Greek-American actor Telly Savalas is another actor used by Hollywood to allude to their plans for Pat. Bartholomew. Anthony Quinn is another famous actor Hollywood used to represent popes and patriarchs. I could list several more examples.

OK. Please don't engage in further discussion with me.

[Maria]

Cyprian, you wrote correctly:

Kirill of Moscow and Bartholomew of Constantinople are both Masons, like the Pope: agents of a homosexual and pedophile cabal. Their chief loyalty is to the secret society that installed both of them to their respective appointments. They are not independently minded, and they are not allowed to voice their own opinions, political, religious, or otherwise. All their public acts, stances and posturings are scripted in advance, and they simply do what they are instructed to do.

This is why the MP and the EP are having problems.