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The last thing we need is to clutch at each others necks. We are ALL already on shaky ground; True Orthodoxy has "fled into the woods" so to speak. We need to be united.

There are some who believe this to be a violation of the Canons. And there are some who do not. But I think we can all agree that a schism HAS taken place because of this. And this is definitely something to consider.

There is something that causes me some distress about the situation. If you will forgive me, and the length that this post will become, I wish to paste the letter Metropolitan sent to Akakios when he was still a hieromonk:

2/15 June 2011

To the Reverend Hieromonk Akakios in Serbia

Beloved Brother in Christ Fr. Akakios,

Rejoice in the Lord always; again I will say, rejoice!

It was with much joy that we yet again greeted in Christ and received during Holy and Great Lent the Very Reverend Abbess Euphrosyni of the Holy Monastery of St. John the Forerunner (Novi Stjenik), whom we blessed once more to travel freely throughout our divinely protected Metropolis blessing, edifying, and spiritually quickening our rational flock in Christ with her simplicity of spirit, inspiring presence, and enlightened counsel. The fruits of her labors were many as youth and elders alike were moved to take up the higher calling. For this we are grateful to our Lord and Savior.

I write to you today concerning rumors that recently reached us regarding your intentions to abandon your ruling hierarch and our common spiritual father in Christ, His Beatitude Archbishop Kallinikos, without a canonical release and to join the jurisdiction of the True Orthodox Church of Russia. I would rather believe that these rumors are false—the slander of malicious men—considering that your pure and genuine Orthodox consciousness would never allow you to contravene the Sacred Canons and Tradition of the Holy Orthodox Church.

Allow me, nonetheless, to outline my thoughts for your benefit on this matter in a spirit of charity and honesty, having in mind the counsel of St. Gregory Palamas that candid reproof wins the prize of peace.

  1. Let me firstly state that the authority of the Church of Greece in the historical territories of the autocephalous Church of Serbia is based on the ancient tradition of the Church that provisionally extends the pastoral jurisdiction of a bishop over the canonical territory of a widowed neighboring see until such a time when a new bishop is canonically elected. Our God is a God of order and this inspired prescription aims at the orderly and peaceful restoration of a local episcopate, avoiding the blameworthy extremes of disorder, strife, and schism. It was in this spirit that our Church, looking forward to the eventual restoration of the Serbian episcopate, took up the provisional administration of the Church of Serbia after its hierarchy abandoned its calling and joined itself to the apostasy of the panheresy of ecumenism.

  2. It is forbidden by the canons for a clergyman to transfer from one bishop to another without a release from his own bishop. As long as the Church of Greece is charged with the provisional administration of the Church of Serbia, the Archbishop of Athens and All Greece is the effective locum tenens of the Serbian primacy and therefore the ruling hierarch throughout the historical territories of the Serbian Church. It is therefore forbidden for Serbian clergy to abandon their ruling hierarch and join themselves to other ecclesiastical jurisdictions.

  3. While I am strongly in favor of our Church establishing full communion with the True Orthodox Church of Russia presided by Archbishop Tikhon of Omsk, it would be foolish for Serbian clergy to join them without a canonical release. It would immediately destroy the dialogue of our church with the Tikhonites, which is progressing surely. Such a move would ruin the hopes of many people, including most of our clergy and laity here in America, and its perpetrators would bear the grave responsibility before God and His Church for perpetuating the division of the Churches of God.

  4. You would stand to lose all your friends here in America, who would feel utterly betrayed. Our Church in America has given tens of thousands of dollars in assistance, as well as forming close bonds of friendship with Abbess Euphrosyni and her monastery. We love the Serbian Church and support it with all our heart, and we do not want to see those bonds of friendship severed.

  5. I fear such a move would prove correct the claim that the Serbian clergy lacks the maturity to be an independent church with its own bishops, regrettably setting back the restoration of the Serbian episcopate many years.

  6. If these rumors are true and you act upon them, you, Fr. Akakios, would look like an ambitious priest who is seeking to be made a bishop. While I know that this is not true, it would be impossible to avoid creating that impression for others.

  7. Whatever advantages gained by having your own bishop would be offset and likely negated by the stigma of being uncanonical. Moreover, not all of the Serbian Church would follow. The perpetrators would be guilty of splitting the True Orthodox in Serbia. The remaining clergy and flock in Serbia would preach against them as being schismatic and uncanonical—and they would be right. In the end, such a move will only have accomplished a schism in the Church of Serbia and the creation of yet another faction with dubious canonicity.

  8. In spite of claims of unfair and neglectful treatment from our Archbishop (claims that I consider unfair and unjust), your church is nonetheless growing and prospering and receiving God's blessing--all while under the temporary protection of the Greek Church. Moreover, there is no guarantee that things will be better under Archbishop Tikhon. The Church of Serbia should be grateful to Christ in that, before it was captive to pan-heresy, whereas now in the very least it may commemorate in the divine services a bishop with an Orthodox confession.

Finally, I perceive this to be a temptation from the evil one intended to undermine your good struggle. I love the Serbs dearly and I do not want to see you fall prey to the devil, thus losing the hard-won fruits of your labors. I am speaking out thus not because I desire the subordination of the Church of Serbia to the Greek Church, but because I desire the Serbian Church to grow and mature naturally and canonically. As one may learn from studying Church history, canonical independence and the episcopacy must be granted from above—they cannot be seized from below. This is the same temptation which faced Adam and Eve in Eden.

Let us take heed of St. Paul’s plea: “I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment” (1 Corinthians); this, in order that through His grace the waves may be calmed that trouble our Church today.

Fr. Akakios, remember always that precious deposit which was committed to you at your ordination by your bishop—the Lamb of God, the unity of the Body of the Christ—and keep it as you received it until your very last breath.

May the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ be with you always. Amen.

+PAVLOS, Metropolitan of America
Fervent supplicant before the Lord

Are there implications for ignoring this letter? Was Metropolitan Pavlos wrong in his points? Please forgive my ignorance.

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Greetings in christ our True GOD,

ArchBishop Paul has No direct control of anyone outside of His dioceses in America and Canada. The implication that it has and will have are on the souls of the ones who have followed Akakios and are making excuses for excuses in sins. As a Spiritual Father and Archbishop the Metropolitan has shown great love and care for the unity of the Church and
Future relations with other TOC's of different nationalities and what Akakios' self-willed actions would bring into the bosom of the Church . Turmoil and strife both in the Homeland and diasapora.
Reading the letter it shows the great care and pastoral love of a genuine TOC Hierarch, It this sober letter should have been a wake-up call, if not to Akakios,then at least the other 2 Priests and the Abbess, If Akakios ever shared it with them. May this letter light a fire in their hearts and show the hope that Despota Paul has for them.

May the Lord grant them wisdom and strength to return to their lawful Hierarch.

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Please pray for me and my throwing fuel onto a fire. I have been careless.

In my heart, I have allowed myself to take a side while pretending to be sincere in my questions and concerns. In my heart, I already made a decision; that this act was uncanonical. I have been a hypocrite and worse. I do not even know the Canons. Please forgive me Father Siluan and please pray for me. God has allowed me to see a different side of RTOC. I must confess that in the wicked spirit of malice, in my heart, I began to tear you down Father for calling "Tryphon" and "sava" out for their accusations and insults. It was wrong of me and I ask for your forgiveness.

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Ephrem wrote:
sava wrote:

What a nice soviet way of thinking! I think that we are posting at Euphrosynos cafe and not at Siluan-Akakios Cafe! This soviet way of thinking reminds me Akakios's thinking (as he admitted to Ekklisiastikos) who prefers to listen to those who are in agreement with him and leave aside those who disagree with him.

Forgive me, but it is EuphrosynosCafe.com forum policy that all users must at least state their jurisdiction (see: http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... =29&t=9083).

Dear all!

I am member of the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece under the presidency of his Beatitude Archbishop of Athens and all Greece Kallinikos (I don't know how to note the so called juristiction on my account).

I would like to complain about the behavior of fr. Siluan towards me. I don't mind if he is a supporter of fr. Akakios and his schism (although a moderator must be neutral). What I can't accept is that he threatens those who disagree with him and Akakios!

Also I can't accept a moderator of euphrosynos cafe speaking with innuendo against our Holy Synod..

"Dear fr. Siluan I didn't ask you something personal. I asked for clarifications about your own statement (..''Greece or USA, countries with which their own Hierarchy have "links of friendship" with the "secular" Masonic authorities...''). Do you mean the Ecumenistic Hierarchy of Greece and USA or the Hierarchy of the Genuine Orthodox Church? Just a clear answer please.''

Why he is stubbornly refusing to give a clear answer? Why a moderator of this forum calls those who disagree with him ''DEMONS''?

You have to state your jurisdiction in your profile. If you don't know how to do this, please send me a private message. Moderators are allowed to have and express personal opinions, but they must not allow these personal opinions to affect their moderatorial duties. We don't exclude people on the basis of their position. Even World Orthodox may participate in our discussions, provided they respect the fact that this is a True Orthodox forum. It's about respect for the opposing side. I personally don't support the consecration of Fr Akakios by the RTOC, but in general I feel that it has been members speaking from the Greek GOC side that have shown a lack of respect for the opposition, in particular Tryphon and sava. In general, I advise people on both sides to give each other the benefit of the doubt, and not to attribute malicious intent without good evidence. - Jonathan Gress, Moderator

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Despotovac wrote:

Who gave the Greeks the right to rule above another's territory without a determinate time and without any control of other local Churches, which would certainly ensure the rights of Serbs based on the canons?

Who Archb. Kallinikos asked or who gave him the right to ordain you a priest?
Don't speak for canons "Mr. Despotovac"..! You who ignored totally the canons! You who promote administrative matters over Holy Canons just to justify you schism!

Despotovac wrote:

Where the Serbs could complain about the injustice inflicted on them in the form of the Greek uncanonicaly occupation of foreign territory?

"uncanonical occupation" for you is the according to holy canons temporary administration by a canonic and valid orthodox bishop of a neighbor country who helps by ordaining priest for the step by step stuffing of the widowed Serbian Church.
"uncanonical occupation" for you would be your administration by a canonic bishop who would be consecrated for Serbia and who would live in Serbia BUT he wouldn't be Serbian.
"uncanonical occupation" for you would be if YOU were asked to be ordained for Serbia, but as a member of the Greek Synod (otherwise they wouldn't ordain you, we guess..)

"Када кажемо безусловну , мислимо на то да они немају ни најмању претензију да се административно мешају у територију Српске Цркве, тј њену организацију и њен унутрашњи препород"

This is what you wanted from the very beginning. You prtomoted the so called idea of "the fight for the rights and independence of the Serbian Church" in order not to be obedient to anyone..No bishops above your head, none synod to control your actions..totally uncontrolled (and not self-controlled as you say you want) As if the Holy Orthodox Church of Serbia was or is under the control of any other local Church.

Despotovac wrote:

The faithful of the Serbian Church was roughly assimilated into the Greek Church's faithful.

Please fr. Akakie, when you refer to your disciples and relatives don't call them "faithful of the Serbian Church" or "Administrative Council"..it's not right and fair for the majority of the Serbian faithful who chose not to follow your schism!

Despotovac wrote:

According to the canons period of establishing the local bishop for local widow Church should not have exceeded a couple of years. 15 years of "temporary" and uncanonical Greek government above Serbia resulted in such outcome as we seen today.

The Autocephalous Orthodox Church of Serbia is widowed since the Second World War as you've said..and not 15 years! It's been only less than 15 years that its restoration has been started with the help of the Church of Greece and your provision and the help of the Serbian folk and it took only one day to be destroyed all the work is done thank to you fr. Akakios, thank to mother Euphrosyna, thanks to Tychonites and thanks to the "financial sponsoring" of your schism..from the "Greek chauvinists"..

Therefor, instead of saying:

Despotovac wrote:

The form of acceptance of Serbs in to the True Orthodoxy is misused by Greeks.

better say: "The form of acceptance of Serbs in to the True Orthodoxy is misused by the Akakians".

As for your answers to our question we will come back later!

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stephendaniel wrote:

The last thing we need is to clutch at each others necks. We are ALL already on shaky ground; True Orthodoxy has "fled into the woods" so to speak. We need to be united.

There are some who believe this to be a violation of the Canons. And there are some who do not. But I think we can all agree that a schism HAS taken place because of this. And this is definitely something to consider.

There is something that causes me some distress about the situation. If you will forgive me, and the length that this post will become, I wish to paste the letter Metropolitan sent to Akakios when he was still a hieromonk:

2/15 June 2011

To the Reverend Hieromonk Akakios in Serbia...

...+PAVLOS, Metropolitan of America
Fervent supplicant before the Lord

Are there implications for ignoring this letter? Was Metropolitan Pavlos wrong in his points? Please forgive my ignorance.

Canonically, the illicit nature of the unilateral actions of the RTOC and the Akakian Faction remains, whether the Metropolitan had written to them or not. The fact that the Metropolitan did write to the Akakian Faction and warned them of the consequences of such an action two months before increases the moral responsibility they now bear.

My question is: did not the RTOC realize/recognize these points for themselves? An appeal to a vague, emotional, and subjective attachment to the plight of slavic brethren cannot absolve them objectively of a criminal contempt for canonical order and a shameful callousness to the unity of the Church, locally and universally.

What would responsible and reasonable hierarchs have done in such a case? They would have mediated between the Serbs and the Greek Church to resolve the matter in an ordered and canonical way, as the unity of the Church would have been their first principle and major premiss. Instead they let themselves be swayed, it seems, by the abstruse and dubious arguments of a capricious layman that convinced them that seeking unity with the Greeks was not only futile--citing the "long delays" as unmediated evidence for deceit--but also dangerous in that, supposedly, the Greek First-Hierarch was bent on subordinating all of Slavia Orthodoxa to some kind of Imperium Graecorum--charges which are not only unfounded but slanderous. In this spirit they sacrificed the hopes of many and, worse still, the commandment of our Lord for all to be one. I am saddened to say that the "Akakian Affair", as it were, has greatly diminished the status and reputation of the RTOC hierarchy. My only hope now is that this episode is only a temporary set back in the quest for a much desired end.

Let us pray that the Lord enlighten our hearts and that He calm these waves, generated so wantonly at the start of this holy fast, for the salvation of our souls and the unity of His Church.

Leonidas

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Despotovac wrote:

It has been said several times that approaching of Serbs in to the True Orthodoxy through Greek TOC does not entitle the Greeks to be the undisputed ruler of Serbia. In particular, if the canons were outraged about their provisional administration of the widow Serbian Church. Who gave the Greeks the right to rule above another's territory without a determinate time and without any control of other local Churches, which would certainly ensure the rights of Serbs based on the canons? Where the Serbs could complain about the injustice inflicted on them in the form of the Greek uncanonicaly occupation of foreign territory? The form of acceptance of Serbs in to the True Orthodoxy is misused by Greeks. The faithful of the Serbian Church was roughly assimilated into the Greek Church's faithful. According to the canons period of establishing the local bishop for local widow Church should not have exceeded a couple of years. 15 years of "temporary" and uncanonical Greek government above Serbia resulted in such outcome as we seen today.

Dear Mr. Despotovac,

If the provisional authority of the Greeks in Serbia was uncanonical, as you and others claim, then by necessity the ordinations of all the Serbian clergy are uncanonical. To elucidate: If you were justified in leaving your Ruling Hierarch for the reasons you cite, you cannot avoid the conclusion that his authority was invalid on Serbian territory. But if his authority was invalid on Serbian territory, then your priests are not priests and your sacraments are graceless. You can't have it both ways. This is the necessary conclusion of your arguments. To argue that his authority was valid for a period of time defined by you and only you is unfounded and arbitrary. There can be no middle ground on this question.

Finally, you have no grounds to claim that the Greeks secretly never intended to restore the Serbian episcopate, especially since they contradict this claim explicitly and consistently in their documents. You are only guessing about the true intentions of the Greek hierarchy--and guessing in a paranoid way, let me add. Do you have a special insight into the hearts and minds of the Greek Bishops that we don't that would allow you to discern their intentions more clearly? Or are you basing your judgments on stereotypes such as one reads in the anti-Christian and racist writings of Edward Gibbon?

Leonidas

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