RTOC consecrated a Bishop for Serbian TOC

[Tryphon]

Bp artemije was always very vocal with transgressors of the Holy Canons within WO and teir participation in Ecumenical activities. At the same time He was a defender of Traditional True Orthodoxy which is why He was banned from Mount Athos by the EP, and accused of supporting the Synod in Resistance and their President Met. Cyprian. Bp Artemije denied ever having met Him, BUT He did defend Him by saying that clerics who transgress the Canons are supported while the ones who defend the Church are deemed enemies and schismatics. He has openly denounced the actions of the EP.
I belive that He is currently with us the TO, there are administrative differences but all drinking from the same cup of suffering for our Master and His Church.

[Suaidan]

I belive that He is currently with us the TO, there are administrative differences but all drinking from the same cup of suffering for our Master and His Church.

If he is with the TO, why do I keep reading that he keeps trying to explain to the official Churches that he is not a schismatic, and that he accepts the Synod's decisions, et cetera? And what of it that he was accused of something that he himself denied? We are glad that he said that we are not the ones transgressing the canons. Yet he stayed with-- and continues to try to stay with-- those who do. We get such "compliments", even from WO clergy, almost weekly. But they are meaningless if the speaker does not take those canons seriously enough to do something on his own.

Serbia has a new TOC Bishop. Bishop Artemije would be well served to reach out to him-- if he truly believes in True Orthodoxy; then Serbia would be united in True Orthodoxy and a light shining for the rest of us.

[Tryphon]

I belive that He is currently with us the TO, there are administrative differences but all drinking from the same cup of suffering for our Master and His Church.

If he is with the TO, why do I keep reading that he keeps trying to explain to the official Churches that he is not a schismatic, and that he accepts the Synod's decisions, et cetera? And what of it that he was accused of something that he himself denied? We are glad that he said that we are not the ones transgressing the canons. Yet he stayed with-- and continues to try to stay with-- those who do. We get such "compliments", even from WO clergy, almost weekly. But they are meaningless if the speaker does not take those canons seriously enough to do something on his own.

Serbia has a new TOC Bishop. Bishop Artemije would be well served to reach out to him-- if he truly believes in True Orthodoxy; then Serbia would be united in True Orthodoxy and a light shining for the rest of us.

WOW!
And We ask ourselves why do pious belivers and good intention folks stay in ecumenistic/New Calendar jurisdictions? You are seriously,with a straight face considering Akakios as a TOC Bishop? I consider Him to be a very suspended cleric of the GOC very soon! You congradulate lust of power,ingratitude,and disobedience in the name of True Orthodoxy,kyrie eleison! Did it ever occur to You that the STOT-Akakians has been a well thought out scheme by a few power hungry individuals whose eyes have become darkened and ears shut. Akakios has Efrosinia and their families and relatives as the TOC in Serbia! Pictures are worth a thousand words, just keep sipping the cool-aide from their web-sites andread TO periodicals coming from the future Bp of great Britian and all is well! As for. A true man of GOD who is not seeking earthly rewards such as Bp Artemije,he's not Orthodox because he's not issuing anathemas due to the fact that he's busy in Christs vineyard.
I'm dumbfounded that You congratulate this power hungry move,when so many souls are at sake who are with the GOC in Serbia.

[Suaidan]

WOW!
And We ask ourselves why do pious belivers and good intention folks stay in ecumenistic/New Calendar jurisdictions? You are seriously,with a straight face considering Akakios as a TOC Bishop? I consider Him to be a very suspended cleric of the GOC very soon! You congradulate lust of power,ingratitude,and disobedience in the name of True Orthodoxy,kyrie eleison! Did it ever occur to You that the STOT-Akakians has been a well thought out scheme by a few power hungry individuals whose eyes have become darkened and ears shut. Akakios has Efrosinia and their families and relatives as the TOC in Serbia! Pictures are worth a thousand words, just keep sipping the cool-aide from their web-sites andread TO periodicals coming from the future Bp of great Britian and all is well! As for. A true man of GOD who is not seeking earthly rewards such as Bp Artemije,he's not Orthodox because he's not issuing anathemas due to the fact that he's busy in Christs vineyard.
I'm dumbfounded that You congratulate this power hungry move,when so many souls are at sake who are with the GOC in Serbia.

What a fiery, World Orthodox response. To be honest, I don't ask myself your first question. Pious believers with good intentions simply don't know what they've joined to. They wanted the Orthodoxy they learned about, and read volumes about, and were convinced was where they were. If you were a member of the GOC of Greece, I'd understand your anger. But since you are here supporting a WO Bishop who's spent the last year hoping publicly to be recognized with World Orthodoxy, it is frankly incomprehensible to hear you rail at the GOC-Serbia-- especially, as you note, since they have no large communities.

TO periodicals from the future "Bishop of Great Britain"? I can only assume you mean Vladimir Moss, and that's very funny. I've actually spoken to Vladimir Moss, had arguments with Vladimir Moss, sometimes descending into hostility on my part in younger days and occasionally even tried to correct his occasional and rare errors. (And I assume he ignored them....) But I never believed he operated from a desire for personal ecclesiastical gain.

I didn't congratulate any "power hungry" move. I just think, as St Leo wrote, that we should "make a good end of a bad beginning". I feel the same way about Bp Artemije. I just think that the chances, based on both sides' statements, are better with the "power-hungry, kool-aid drinking individual" who confesses True Orthodoxy in its purity.

Just when I thought in your last letter that Bp Artemije was really trying to reach out to the True Orthodox, you've restored my healthy suspicion. Thanks!

[Tryphon]

Well my Brother time will tell all. In Orthodoxy the Ends certainly do not justify the means. I feel heartbreak and sorrow at the schism caused in the Serbian-GOC by a small hero-worshipping clique and the damage its done to any future dialogue with the RTOC. Words without deeds are dead,and confessing an orthodox faith is essential but what about the works; fear of GOD,Love,and Obedience? None were shown through this anti-canonical action. What was the rush to have Akakios a Bp? Were they going to get an administrator in Serbia sent by the GOC whom they'd have to be obedient to,and that was just not acceptable,since freedom rules.

[Suaidan]

Well my Brother time will tell all. In Orthodoxy the Ends certainly do not justify the means. I feel heartbreak and sorrow at the schism caused in the Serbian-GOC by a small hero-worshipping clique and the damage its done to any future dialogue with the RTOC. Words without deeds are dead,and confessing an orthodox faith is essential but what about the works; fear of GOD,Love,and Obedience? None were shown through this anti-canonical action. What was the rush to have Akakios a Bp? Were they going to get an administrator in Serbia sent by the GOC whom they'd have to be obedient to,and that was just not acceptable,since freedom rules.

You seem like you don't want to talk about Bp Artemije anymore-- after all, "freedom rules" is the mantra of those disobedient to the "Synod" they recognize, hoping to "do what they wish" for as long as they can.... yet, all of a sudden, your focus is on what that "evil Akakije" is doing to "the Church"....It's an old game for most of the veterans recognize from previous WO contributions: "divide and conquer". You aren't part of the GOC and you don't CARE what Bp Akakije is doing. You realize trying to promote World Orthodoxy through Bp Artemije has been revealed for what it is, so you turn to the argument between the Greeks and Russians.

You justify what liberal members of ROCOR did in the 80's, misrepresent St Philaret, and now pretend to care what happens to RTOC.

We are not so quickly fooled.

[Suaidan]

Well my Brother time will tell all. In Orthodoxy the Ends certainly do not justify the means. I feel heartbreak and sorrow at the schism caused in the Serbian-GOC by a small hero-worshipping clique and the damage its done to any future dialogue with the RTOC. Words without deeds are dead,and confessing an orthodox faith is essential but what about the works; fear of GOD,Love,and Obedience? None were shown through this anti-canonical action. What was the rush to have Akakios a Bp? Were they going to get an administrator in Serbia sent by the GOC whom they'd have to be obedient to,and that was just not acceptable,since freedom rules.

Let's test my theory.

What is your jurisdiction? More properly: in what parish do you commune, Tryphon?