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Re: Milan Synod concelebrates with MP

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Abp. Hilarion has been retired and out of the picture for quite a while now. As for Bp. Pavlos, when he was alive, ... I visited his parish one Sunday morning during the time when I was looking into joining the Milan Synod, and was surprised to find it closed. Hwe said his health was so bad that he couldn't serve and it turned out his priest was off in Greece for a visit... so no services. But we did have a nice chat, sitting in one of the pews in his parish (nice church building - reminded me of the ones we have in our own GOA), and of course he made it clear that his "diocese" consisted of just his parish and anybody else considering Milan had to go to Abp. John, which of course I did.

Your selective editing is amazing and disgraceful at the same time. Metropolitan John has been conferring with Abp Hilarion weekly on all these matters (and recently almost daily). He is in fine health, though he's getting older. As for Bishop Pavlos(memory eternal), he had been in poor health for years. Of course, he's reposed, so we can't confirm whether he told the truth or not: but now, let's put these matters to rest. You say you were in QUEENS, NY, looking to join the Milan Synod. You were told to go to Archbishop John, a bus ride away from Manhattan. (I've done that ride-- it's about an hour and a half).

You said you went to him. Did you or not? Or is this another one of your fantasy scenarios? It's easy to conjure up the dead for your stories. How much of it can be corroborated by the living? And why did you go to Maspeth, of all places, when you were a bus ride away from the Archbishop's monastery? You claimed you wanted to start a mission then, I remember it well. Why visit a vicar Bishop to do so when you were commuting distance away from the Archbishop?

Most interesting.

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Just a factual correction before I get to my main response later this evening:

Suaiden wrote:

Why visit a vicar Bishop to do so when you were commuting distance away from the Archbishop?

Most interesting.

Bp. Pavlos was not a vicar bishop. Here is the information which was presented on the official website of the Archdiocese of New York/Mew Jersey of the Milan Synod, http://www.orthodoxwest.net (emphasis added):

St. Charalampos and Paraskevi Orthodox Church
Diocese of Maspeth
7305 Grand Avenue,
Maspeth, N.Y. 11378;
Tel.: (718) 899-0922
Contacts: H. Ex, Rt. Rev. Bishop Pavlos (Moutopoulos), Ruling Bishop, Pastor
Very Rev. Fr. Igumen Paisios (McGhee), Assistant Pastor

Most interesting that you would not know that. More later.

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Re: Milan Synod concelebrates with MP

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costaswright wrote:

Just a factual correction before I get to my main response later this evening:

Bp. Pavlos was not a vicar bishop. Here is the information which was presented on the official website of the Archdiocese of New York/Mew Jersey of the Milan Synod....

By the way, the official website of the Metropolia is currently http://www.milansynodusa.org, and has been for a couple of years now ....

Still waiting for that main response there. You are correct. He was a ruling bishop of Maspeth, which is a small neighborhood in Queens. That was the whole of his jursidiction. The rest of Queens was under the Metropolitan. So let's try this again. Since you had no interest in moving to Maspeth (based on the fact that Bp Pavlos directed you to go to Archbishop-- now Metropolitan-- John), why did you not go to the Metropolitan himself, satisfying yourself with a phone call?

I am now asking you again, adding your correction.

You say you were in MASPETH, in QUEENS, NY, looking to join the Milan Synod. You were told to go to Archbishop John, a bus ride away from Manhattan. (I've done that ride-- it's about an hour and a half).

You said you went to him. Did you or not? Or is this another one of your fantasy scenarios? It's easy to conjure up the dead for your stories. How much of it can be corroborated by the living? And why did you go to Maspeth, of all places, when you were a bus ride away from the Archbishop's monastery? You claimed you wanted to start a mission then, I remember it well. Why visit a Bishop whose jurisdiction was limited to a small neighborhood in Queens to do so when you were commuting distance away from the Archbishop?

And now let me add something further to answer the question you avoided answering by pointing to a useless detail. According to Metropolitan John, you NEVER did go visit-- for that matter, you simply called, where according to the Metropolitan you were instructed that you needed to attend a parish. You NEVER did so, but that didn't stop you from pretending you did.

Milan Synod: "Our Metropolia is ... in fraternal dialogue with the Patriarchate of Moscow, for a future union with the mother Russian Church under the Omoforion of His Holiness Kirill the Patriarch."

I direct you to our official site. For the present, I have nothing to say on the matter.

http://www.milansynodusa.org/2011/03/al ... =BP_recent

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Still waiting for that main response there.

This was a busy weekend for me... it was my time to preach this Sunday, so Friday and Saturday I was busy preparing a homily (on transfiguring the passions), and then went with my fiancee to hear Metropolitan Kallistos Ware speak. I'll get to what needs to be gotten to, never fear.

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costaswright wrote:
Suaiden wrote:

Still waiting for that main response there.

This was a busy weekend for me... it was my time to preach this Sunday, so Friday and Saturday I was busy preparing a homily (on transfiguring the passions), and then went with my fiancee to hear Metropolitan Kallistos Ware speak. I'll get to what needs to be gotten to, never fear.

Good to see the GOA has a future. ;)

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Good to see the GOA has a future. ;)

Rather, it's good that we (my soon-to-be wife and I) have a future in the GOA. It's the Church that saves us, not the other way around. :)

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Re: Milan Synod concelebrates with MP

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costaswright wrote:
Suaiden wrote:

Good to see the GOA has a future. ;)

It's the Church that saves us, not the other way around. :)

Well, yes, but... the GOA isn't the Church.

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