The MP lends Saint Seraphin's relics to the catholics

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The MP lends Saint Seraphin's relics to the catholics

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This happenend last August 22nd in Belgium. Some days ago, the MP parish of Namur (a town in Belgium) received Saint Seraphin relics from Russia. On August 22nd, they were lent to the catholic monastery of Chevetogne in Belgium. Chevetogne is a catholic monastery that uses Byzantine and benedictine rites.

Then, catholics served a moleben with Saint Seraphin relics using the Byzantine rite. It was presided by the Catholic bishop of Namur.

You can access this information in French and Russian on the site
www.archiepiskopia.be Choose your language (French or Russian) and click on the information of August 22nd.

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St. Seraphim's Visit to a Roman Catholic Church

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I know that the recently reposed Pope John Paul II admired St. Seraphim of Sarov, and even mentioned him in his book On the Threshold of Hope, something that is, apparently, unusual for a Roman Catholic hierarch to do. Pope John Paul II also made a pilgrimage to St. Catherine's Monastery in the Sinai, and appeared somewhat nonplussed when the Orthodox monks did not allow him to concelebrate the liturgy there. (In fact, it was after this visit that the Pope issued his famous, non-specific apology to the world for the sins of the RC--which the American press misinterpreted as an apology to Israel.) My impression is that the Roman Catholic Church has generally tried, for centuries, to keep the Orthodox Church as "invisible" as possible in Western consciousness.

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 On the flip side, one can only wonder what the Soviet hierarchs of the Moscow Patriarchate had in mind when they sent the holy relics of St. Seraphim to a Roman Catholic parish in Belgium.  I cannot imagine that St. Seraphim would have entered into prayer in an heretical church in the flesh, in violation of the canons of the Church.  Why would the MP presume that he would chose to do so now?  It is but one more example, among many, of the pseudo- Orthodox mind-set of the modern, wordly Moscow Patriarchate.  Perhaps they could also send the relics of St. Seraphim to Hollywood for a New Age prayer service with Tom Cruise and the Church of Scientology.
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The Spirit of Antichrist

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This betrayal is of such magnitude that the only explanation is that the evil one has mastery over many Muscovite Bishops. It is one thing for heretics to forcibly steal holy relics as was the case with Saint Nicholas of Myra and quite another when the supposed protectors of the Orthodox Faith give them over willingly. Please pray to the Lord and Saint Seraphim of Sarov to forgive and open the eyes of these lost hierarchs. :cry:

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First St. Nicholas and now St. Seraphim. I hope that this will be the benefit of conversion for the papists. Perhaps there is a greater plan that God is establishing.

Let us trust in God and that He is allowing this for a reason, perhaps something to come in time.

Or perhaps, He has decided that St. Seraphim's relics will be protected better in Italy than in Russia. We don't know what the future will bring, but God knows.

One thing for sure is that God will not allow anything bad happen to the saint's relics; just like St. Nicholas'.

But, don't trust in anything that the previous pope did that looks like sympathy to Orthodoxy. He would never have relinquished his power to Orthodoxy or to God. Whatever he did was calculated and had nothing to do with faith.

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

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Divine Providence...

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I agree with you that God's Providence is always in effect however this particular incident needs to be understood as a complete failure on the side of the MP. No one forced them with any serious threat to do this thing.
When in 1087 the Latins came to Asia Minor to steal the Holy remains of St. Nicholas they came with swords. Even though God allowed this audacious theft He in no way justifies the Roman Catholics. Now in Bari, when there is a Latin Mass said no sacred Myrrh emits from the Holy Relics. Only when an Orthodox Holy Liturgy takes place does the miracle happen and yet almost 1000 years later the Roman Catholics have only deepened in their darkness. In the same way St. Seraphim of Sarov will not shed light to those who do not want to see it.
In my opinion, this "loan" of a piece of the Saint by the pseudo-hierarchs will only fortify and expand the Unia and Ecumenism in general.
You are absolutely right Joasia about JP II faking sympathy for the Orthodox. He and all other forerunners of Antichrist seek dominion constantly.
Thank you for responding,
Peace.

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I would like to add a major precision : the relics were lent to the catholic monastery only for the service and after that brought back to the MP parish of Namur.

I also think this serves the unia and spiritual adogmatism... It is a way to say : we have tha same saints.

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According to Catacomb sources these would not be the genuine relics of St Seraphim, but relics of another Saint taken by the MP in 2002 o 2003 from the "Museum of Religion and Atheism" little time before the MP "Celebration" of the 100 years since his canonization in 1903.

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