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Justin Kissel

What's Your Past And Present?

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A recent discussion on another thread got me to thinking that maybe we should make a thread in which we can say what our background is. Not necessarily an entire "conversion story" or anything like that, but maybe just a summary of where we've come from, and where we're at. We might, as some other people have found on this forum, have more in common than we would have at first imagined.

Anyway, here's a quick rundown for me:

  • Baptized Latin Catholic as an infant; raised in a mostly nominal Protestant family, with rare attempts here and there to get me interested in "church" (my grandfather and uncle on my Fathers side were both pious Latin Catholics, and my Mother's third husband was a sometimes church-going Protestant). I didn't have much of a religious education growing up; I remember reading the Baltimore Catechism through, some prayers in a Catholic prayer book, and some randomly selected parts of the Bible.

  • At 18 I fell into the sticky web of a Protestant Fundamentalist (on TV), and I started attending a Wesleyan Holiness church in town. I started devoting most of my free time to studying the Bible and debating theology online. I went to the front of the Church and "got saved". I had no prayer life, didn't fast, and was essentially the most obnoxious fundamentalist you could possibly meet.

  • At 20 I attended a college in Florida started by the Wesleyan Holiness group I was a part of; I was a Bible Studies major (and history minor). About half-way through the first year, aftering having continued studying the Bible and theology, I realised that Protestant "just didn't work," theologically/historically speaking. I left the school, and then Protestantism in general.

  • After exploring Catholicism and Orthodoxy, I eventually became catechumen at the age of 22 (that was a mere two years ago). I was brought into the Church via Chrismation, Confession, and Communion at an Antiochian Church on Dec. 22, 2001. Saint Justin Popovich was my patron saint.

  • I had been "traditional" the entire time I was Orthodox, and indeed long before I had become Orthodox. However, I stayed in Antiochian and OCA Churches for some time, and even got married in an Antiochian Church. That time in my life was filled with contradiction. Eventually--once I moved to a town that actually had a traditionalist Church--I entered ROCOR via confession and communion, and have been there since.

  • And ROCOR is where I plan to stay. I'm currently under Bishop Gabriel and Met. Laurus, and receiving spiritual guidance from Fr. George Lardas. We're about to move a bit east of Pittsburgh, and will (hopefully!) be attending the parish of Fr. George Mitchell in Clymer (Indiana) PA.

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Thanks, Justin. I love these chances to tell "stories."

-Born in 1980 into a pious Lutheran family (but with my mother having an evangelical bend).

-"Got saved" at age 5(!) because I accepted Jesus as my "Lord and Personal Savior."

-Confirmed at age 14 in Lutheran Church; soon fell away from active Lutheranism

-Became an occultist for a few years

-In the meantime at age 15 I was dragged into a RC Church by my friend and was blow away by the feeling of the presence of the Holy Spirit

-Became interested in Catholicism and became a Catholic apolgist before I was Catholic!

-Decided to join Catholicism officially in 1998.

-Had fight with priest who said I was a conservative nut and then discovered Byzantine Catholics

-Joined the Byzantine Catholic Church through chrismation on June 7, 1998.

-Began reading about Eastern Church history.

-Began visiting Orthodox Churches to "prove the priests wrong" in debate.

-Realized Orthodox were right around 2000 but held to "Orthodox in communion with Rome" fantasy for a further year

-2001 realized I would need to convert to Orthodoxy but couldn't due to my wife being uninterested

-2002 enrolled in St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary, in the MDiv program.

-Now: am convinced the Orthodox Church is the true Church but have to figure out how to get in.

-Future: hopefully by God's grace I will end up Orthodox someday; which jurisdiction? Definitely Greek or Arab. I would prefer Old Calendar (ha! bet you all didn't see that coming!). I like the Synod of Met. Cyprian and the Jerusalem Patriarchate. I also like the Greek Old Calendarists under the Ecumenical Patriarchate at St. Irene Chrysovalantou monastery (www.stirene.org). If forced to stay New Calendarist I would go GOA and work for reform from within.

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Well mine is very short. Born Orthodox, didn't attend church for a while but now back at the fold.

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logos wrote:

Well mine is very short. Born Orthodox, didn't attend church for a while but now back at the fold.

Then you my friend are the luckiest of all of us!

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Post by Methodius »

Anastasios, may I ask you 2 questions?

I did not see Baptism on there. Were you baptized a Lutheran as an infant?

Since you believe Orthodoxy is THE Church, do you still receive "mysteries" in the churches under Rome?

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Methodius,

Sorry, yes I was baptised as a Lutheran on June 15, 1980. The Byzantine Catholics received me by confession and chrismation.

As far as my sacramental participation, I am in a rather precarius position. I usually go to St. Vladimir's Seminary Chapel on Sundays (I of course do not commune there). My wife accompanies me. The Byzantine Catholic parish where I live now does not feel like home to my wife so we do not go there. On occasion, we go to the Roman Church. I normally do not commune as I am a very sinful person. I do, however, commune on occasion, and when I return to my home state of NC I commune at my Byzantine Catholic parish. You may ask, "how can you continue to commune at a Catholic parish if you believe Orthodoxy is true?" but my situation is very complex and I am acting on the guidance of my Orthodox spiritual father. My wife insists we go to Catholic Churches still and I cannot fathom the idea of not going to confession or communion for the next 5-10 years so my spiritual father suggested I keep attending Catholic Churches when my wife insists but that I 1) try to get her gently to go more often to Orthodox Churches and 2) I pray for our conversion.

If any of you disagree with my way of doing things, instead of attacking me (which will only make me mad at you and which will not change my mind, so save us both some sinful thoughts) you can pray for me that things will be cleared up ASAP.

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My shady past ;-)

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  1. Born and baptized Latin Catholic.

  2. Left at 17 because relgion was hypocritical with everyone I knew at our church.

  3. Started search for the One, True Church.

  4. Investigated many ProtestAnt sects (mainline, charismatic, evangelical, etc.) visited their worship spaces, read up on Buddhism, Hinduism, etc.

  5. Studied and tried Islam at home for a while.

  6. Gave up the search and was basically agnostic and at times atheistic.

  7. Got married, had a kid, got divorced. Raising my daughter, I started getting that itch of looking for the One True Faith again. There was no doubt that my daughter was a gift from God! (10-11 years ago)

  8. Had weekly Bible studies with fellow workers after the closing shift at McDonald's. Studied with the Jehovah's Witnesses for a while, learned some stuff but got them to give me old books and saw how they taught 180 degrees from what they used to. (9 years ago)

  9. Started studying with a Ukrainian Orthodox priest and attending Divine Liturgy weekly. I learned a lot! But at this time, some of the priest's anti-Papism rubbed me wrong. (8 years ago)

  10. When the priest could no longer drive into town for lessons or Liturgy, I did not go to an Orthodox Church because the jurisdiction mess was confusing, as was explained to me. So I went to what was the closest thing I saw resemblances to. Back to Roman Catholicism. I was Confirmed, had my daughter Baptized put in RC schools, etc. but missed the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom a lot. Was a neo-traditionalist/conservative Papist but often felt called to Orthodoxy. (7 years ago)

  11. Found Uniatism in the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church under Rome and thought I could have the east and be in the church I was sure was right. I studied more and more, reading the Church Fathers, the Councils, etc. and knew that Orthodoxy, which had been calling me over the years was the Truth after all. Uniatism just delayed the inevitable. My uniate spiritual father said he could see how Orthodoxy would be the path for someone like me when I was trying to get him to out-argue the points I had learned.

  12. Started attending an Orthodox Church and loved it. My daughter noted that she could not explain why but things just felt right there. 9 months later we were Baptized into Holy Orthodoxy and the rest is history!

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