Lebedeff urges ROCOR to become fully World orthodox

[Priest Siluan]

The ROChurch has repented for the idea of sergianism...

First, then. Why did the KGB Agents whom today are "Bishops" in MP not give up their ranks? And why has they not called to a true Sobor of All Russia (with all of parts of the Russian Church) to restore a the True Patriarchate of Russia (According to Ukaz Nº 362)? Because the MP is not the "Church Mother" but it is "canonically" a product of the sergianism and if they gave up the Sergianism... Why do they continue with this soviet institution? On the other hand, they continue somehow with their sergianism, but now not under the Soviets but under the government of Putin (also a KGB and Soviet)...On this last point I agree with Juvenaly.

Second;also and on the other hand, I agree with Ioannis about if they had rejected the sergianism (as before I and say and I demonstrated it has not happened)...What about Ecumenism?

[尼古拉前执事]

Again, I say to you, you attribute to Fr Alexander words he, himself, did not write. All the emphasis and tone of this article belongs to the journalist who wrote it. They are not Fr Alexander's exact words. I have worked with Journalists and I know the spin that is applied. I even doubt the "correctness" of the quotes.

If I understand you correctly and you are accusing InterFax of changing the words they have marked as quotes from Prot. Alexander, please being proof of your accusation.

If you want to know , why not just ask Fr Alexander himself, instead of believing a third party?

That is why we have the media, to ask people so we do not have to seek them all out and ask them individually.But if you are publicly making the accusation against InterFax, perhaps you can ask him if he was misquoted and/or slandered in this article as you seem to believe.

[Ekaterina]

Fr Siluan and Ioannis:

You pose questions that have been answered numerous, countless times by others more eloquently than I ever could. You have not accepted those answers before, so I know that you will not accept my answers either. Quite simply they are not answers you want to hear. If you have responces to make that are as eloquent, make them to the people who count and not to me. I am but a small grain of sand with no power.

Fr Nikolai:

I make no accusations of impropriety, however, Interfax has gotten it wrong so many times that, for myself, I tend to question everything they write. Most especially their English translations. Often a simple comparison of the Russian and English texts is enough to understand that ....well it ain't right. And again, because I know of the spin often applied to news articles....even in English newspapers or newscasts...I tend to read everything with a LARGE grain of salt. But that's just me.

Katya

[The Apostate]

Second;also and on the other hand, I agree with Ioannis about if they had rejected the sergianism (as before I and say and I demonstrated it has not happened)...What about Ecumenism?

Is this not dealt with by this and this?

As for the document referred to in the opening post, the full text may be viewed here.

[ioannis]

Dear Katya,

Yes, there are answers. Is that so surprising? There is never a shortage of answers for even the most obvious corruptions of Christianity; the Baptists have them, the Latins have them, the Mormons have them, even the "Christian Scientologists" have them. Truly, why wouldn't the ROCOR-MP have them for their subtle (in comparison), yet defining, changes too? And yes, I don't accept them because they are not true.

It's really quite simple.

Are ecumenists (or Monophysites, take your pick) heretics?
Of the many Holy Fathers who wrote about heresy, which one said it was acceptable under any circumstance to be in communion with one?

The problem is like you say though, people don't want to accept the obvious and create "brilliant" sophistries in order to escape from the faith.

[Ekaterina]

Ioannis:

Yes there are answers and yes they are answer which in your not so humble opinion are wrong. The problem here is that you are taking the wrong route to voice your opinion. I do not see any coherent arguements being sent to the Bishops. I have not heard of any meetings to present such reasoned arguements to the Bishops. You have not posted any treastise showing the "errors" with all pertainent back up. I know that there were several people at various levels throughtout ROCOR who could have been approached with such a document who would have made sure it was considered. Instead you choice to fight in a hit and run manner on the internet. That is not how to fight the battles you see.

There is still time if you truly have the "proof" that this is all wrong. Why not take the time and prove your point with a reason treastise? Arguing with me will not achieve anything.

Katya