ROCOR : will the flock prevent the unia?

[Priest Siluan]

So now believers in ROCOR are not only members of a church bent on heresy and apostacy, but also mindless sheep? oh and let's not forget gutless too!

Milla
Baaaaa

I have not said that about ROCOR faithful, I have simply simply mentioned some of the diverse and varied factors that influence so that many ROCOR faithful upset with the "Uniya" don't leave ROCOR.

Among those factors is the fact that the jurisdictions that could be an option for this people are not making the things well to attract to the "true and traditional believer of ROCOR" who is enemy of the Uniya.

[Mykael]

I believe your poll is a loaded question. There is not one answer that I can agree with.

I for one state publicly that I do not agree with a "uniya" with the MP at this time. But more importantly I do not believe it is to come that far. Now is a time when I feel it is time to start some kind of dialogue. They are free to make choices, good or bad. The ROCOR was meant to be seperated only as long as the Russian Church was not able to freely speek. It is now. Let us speek to one another face to face and then we can make the right choice.

It seems to me the most outspoken opponents to this whole thing are screeming at us from outside. If it means so much to you, why don't you just come home and then defend our faith with your whole life? You have all abandoned ship and tell us that we have a leak. Come back and help us patch it.

Schism and apostacy are bed brothers, and lead to the same end.

The lowly Mykael

[Jean-Serge]

I apologize for having shocked some people... However, the question of the flock which is suppopsed to defend the faith is worth to be raised... Why do they do nothing? Maybe they are simply indifferent, which could be another option to my poll...

[Kollyvas]

For once, I think we're in agreement. I think the questions of this poll have elicited such a backlash from ROCOR types because they are SO accurate a description of the situation, all cop outs aside...
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[DavidHawthorne]

Another possibility, which neither the poll questions nor the spiritualized negativity seems to consider, is that we "ROCOR types" really do love our Orthodox Faith and trust our bishops to do exactly what they ought to be doing 15+ years after the formal reason for our seperate existence has resolved itself.........DIALOGING with the Russian Church in the homeland. Can we see things differently than you do without being either mindless sheep or rebelling against our God-ordained shepherds?

In Christ,
Rd. David

[Kollyvas]

You trust your Bishops to capitualate and anathemize you, themselves and give all traditionalists a black eye?! As a Traditionalist member of the MP, I am intentionally going on record to distance myself from these people so as NOT to have their bungling and amateurism thrown in my face and I'm also trying to preserve the legacy of Blessed +Metropolitan Philaret...so, what are you preserving by your loyalty?! Fr. Komarovsky's clique.
R
Frankly, the whole aspect of "spiritual negativity"--whatever that shirley macclean term means--is really interesting. You are bringing it up while DESECRATING the legacy of Blessed +Metroplitan Philaret and you're led by a man who once taught, AND NEVER RECANTED, "John Maximovitch is not a saint. He was a sick man, and people harm themselves by falling for spiritual counterfeits." That's VINTAGE Lebedeff, AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY to impugn OTHERS who are trying to PRESERVE the holy legacy of ROCOR and its emphasis on Orthodox spirituality?!

[DavidHawthorne]

As a Traditionalist member of the MP, I am intentionally going on record to distance myself from these people so as NOT to have their bungling and amateurism thrown in my face...Frankly, the whole aspect of "spiritual negativity"--whatever that shirley macclean term means--is really interesting. You are bringing it up while DESECRATING the legacy of Blessed +Metroplitan Philaret ... AND YOU HAVE THE AUDACITY to impugn OTHERS who are trying to PRESERVE the holy legacy of ROCOR and its emphasis on Orthodox spirituality?!

1. As an Orthodox Christian I am more concerned with my own "bungling and amatuerism" and trust that my bishops are better and more informed men than I am.

2. Actually, I was thinking not of Shirley Maclaine but of St. Paul and his list of the Fruit of the Spirit. For those of us who have not achieved the balanced divinized natures of the Holy Fathers it is better to model our daily lives on the meekness and humility of Christ rather than His cleansing of the Temple with whips.

3. What I have the audacity to do is not to protestantize Orthodox ecclesiology by breaking it up into ever smaller and "purer" subdivisions because what it is doing happens to disagree with my personal understanding of canons, councils, and current events (I have the audacity to think my bishops might have a clearer grasp of these things than what I might read on the internet) And I don't imagine that I have the insight of St. Maximos the Confessor who even when he opposed the monothelites only broke communion with them and never had the audacity to form a jurisdiction of his own in protest.

4. Maybe it's just my inner "Shirley Maclain", but I love ya bro'- in spite of the personal invective. I'll be better after a little cry.....(sniff)