That's it.....I'm going Trad!

gimme your lunch money · Mon 31 October 2005 9:46 am

Dear Friends,

 I think I've about had enough with irreverence and innovations in the Antiochian Liturgy.  Let me describe to you an experience at Liturgy yesterday:  The Priest usually gives teh announcements after the "dismissal".  This time, the choir came downstairs to sing some cheesy song about how everyone should join the choir.  It was done in a sort of "barbershop" style harmonic.  They were swaying and smiling......bopping and doo-wopping.  This one guy was wearing sun-glasses and dancing a little "diddy".  Towards the end of this "song", this man and some woman came down to where the congregation was, and literally started grabbing people, in a jocular fashion, to "make them join the choir".  It was reminiscent of a sleazy Las Vegas lounge act.  The entire congregatoin was laughing during this episode and clapped after the "song".

And it wasn't just this episode. It seems every Sunday, there is some such clowny act. I personally find clapping or laughing to be very inappropriate at Liturgy. Save it for the coffee hour. And then there's all these girls who come to Liturgy showing off more legs and breasts than a KFC. I want to wax ROCOR, but there's some creedal obligations that I'm not sure I can wholeheartedly swallow (i.e. I'm a big fan of Florensky and Bulgakov....I'm "ecumenist", etc.). Any advice?

Edward · Post by **Edward** » Mon 31 October 2005 10:01 am

That is very scandalous behaviour. Have you discussed your feelings with the Priest about this or written to his bishop? You ought to do that immediately. What you have seen is not right, but don't forsake the entire Antiochian Archdiocese over this. My advise would be to start visiting other local parishes but still first talk to the Priest about how you felt.

Edward

ioannis · Post by **ioannis** » Mon 31 October 2005 12:21 pm

Yes, talk to your bishop and your priest, perhaps they can adjust their behavior (and everyone elses) to pretend to be more serious about this.

gimme your lunch money · Mon 31 October 2005 1:17 pm

I am actually from Michigan. Many of the people in that parish come from an Evangelical background (actually....I do too, but I that's irrelevant), but about half are cradle-born. Even the cradle-born didn't seem to have a problem with this (in fact, it's the cradle-borns who are usually guilty of the scanty dressing in my parish). I will probabl e-mail my priest to express my concerns.

Jean-Serge · Post by **Jean-Serge** » Mon 31 October 2005 2:54 pm

Yes first talk to the priest or the bishop. Do not decide immediately to leave. When you are married, if there is a problem you first talk to your wife and after that leave (extreme cases) but first you talk... The same in church...

Kollyvas · Post by **Kollyvas** » Tue 1 November 2005 12:20 am

One of the nicest places to pray in the Detroit area was St. Innocent--MP in Redford on West Chicago . I also like the OCA church on 8 mile--Holy Trinity, quite beautiful...
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Ekaterina · Post by **Ekaterina** » Tue 1 November 2005 8:08 am

Sergius and Herman of Valaam Mission
17745 ERICKSON DR
ATLANTIC MINE, MI 49905

Priest Gregory Joyce

Telephone: 906/482-5331; 906/337-4173
Web Site: www.roca.org/stssergiusandherman/
Services: English Diocese: Chicago
Directions: Hancock-Houghton area.
Service Schedule: Readers' services Sundays and feastdays 10AM

St. Vladimir Orthodox Church
9900 JACKSON RD
DEXTER, MI 48130-9426

Priest Gregory Joyce
Priest Paul Karas
Telephone: 734/475-4590
Web Site: www.stvladimiraami.org Services: English, Slavonic
Diocese: Chicago
Directions: From I-94: Exit 167 Baker Rd (just W of Ann Arbor), S to Jackson Rd, R on Jackson Rd; church on R approx 2 mi.

Service Schedule: Vigil Sat. & eves of feasts 6PM; Divine Liturgy Sun. & feastdays

Dormition Cathedral
2101 LIVERNOIS ST
FERNDALE, MI 48220-2719
Protopriest Andrei Alexiev

Telephone: 248/478-0270; 248/547-5240
Services: Slavonic, English Diocese: Chicago
Directions: I-696 to Woodward exit; S on Woodward to Cambourne St.; Rt to Livernois; church on NW corner.

Service Schedule: Saturdays and eves of Feasts: Vigil 6:00 PM. Sundays and Feasts: Winter (begins mid-September): Hours 9:40 AM; Liturgy 10:00 AM. Summer (begins Memorial Day weekend): Hours 9:10 AM; Liturgy 9:30 AM.

St. Herman of Alaska Orthodox Church
1217 BEMIS ST SE
GRAND RAPIDS, MI 49506-2544
Priest Michael Carney

Telephone: 616/458-3726 Email: marijodb@altelco.net
Services: English, Slavonic Diocese: Chicago
Directions: From Rt 196: exit on Fuller, S thru lights at Michigan, Fulton, Lake & Wealthy Streets; after Wealthy St, 3rd L is Bemis; church meets in 3rd house on L. From Rt 131: exit on Wealthy; E 1 mi. to Fuller; R on Fuller, L on Bemis.

Service Schedule: Sat. Vigil 5PM; Sun Divine Liturgy 10AM; frequent services throughout week

Holy Ghost Church
38500 RYAN RD
STERLING HEIGHTS, MI 48310-2980
Hieromonk Gregory (Valentine)
Dcn. Michael Urbanski

Telephone: 586/795-3766; 586/939-3490; 586/268-7444 (hall)
Fax: 586/795-3867
Services: Eenglis, Slavonic Diocese: Chicago & Detroit
Directions: Just S of 17 Mile Rd. on the E side of Ryan Rd. in Sterling Hgts.
Service Schedule: Sat Vigil 5PM; Sun/Feastday Liturgy 9:30AM.

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