Ex-Protestants now Orthodox, Splintering Orthodox Church?

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Ex-Protestants now Orthodox, Splintering Orthodox Church?

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this isnt the whole,but a good high percentage of it....so if you arent ex-protestant relax and be WATCHFUL as CHRIST warned;
Its amazing how thru out america the question arises amongst certain Orthodox with certain backgrounds of protestanism," WHAT JURISDICTION?" for many Pious Black and white Clothed Priests and also Monastics in various jurisdictions including Traditionalists,old and new calendar are seeing an amazing outcome on how ex-protestants have been the main stream in causing our church to splinter..this has been going on for over a hundred years or more with there own churches...There have been some very Good Metropolitans,Patriarchs,Bishops who recognized and warned against many things-Ecumenism,Modernization,etc.. But that was it To cause the church of GOD and its followers to fall on there faces was never there intentions..but it was those under them that did this very thing and started the footwork amongst the lay-people to cause the church to begin to split Split (he said,She said).............think about it, here is a little sometihing the protestants have been using for many years now, is it possible that certain people were let into the church to do other things other than Love thy neighbor, and worship of God in his holy churches, somehow we let wars and other destructive natured kings,leaders, be a guiding force in the church, for it caused great destruction and allowed the evil ones greatest weapon amongst Orthodox and that is the demon of "confusion and unrest" a shattering blow against the Church........ in CHRIST, niphon
here is the article below;

"""Why the House Church?""""
Here are just a few of the reasons:
Historical. The house church is the biblical church. All of the churches in the New Testament era were small assemblies that met in homes. While setting up institutional forms of "church" may or may not provide a way to honor God, the movement toward the institution and the human authority that tends to accompany hierarchical institutional structure are not theologically neutral.
Growth. The most explosive growth of Christianity in our own time has taken place in the likes of the People's Republic of China where its only expression has been the illegal, underground house church (more recently the PRC has installed a government-licensed "Three Self" church in an effort to control a movement that decades of political repression has failed to contain). Historian Del Birkey's studies have led him to conclude that the house church is our best hope for the renewal in our times.
Resisting the Culture. Our culture desperately wants to change our doctrines so that it might Christianity to conform to its notion of "civil religion" and "political correctness." The house church has always been for this reason, just as Jesus said that his disciples should be in the Sermon on the Mount. That sermon outlines how the powerless disciple can be salt and light in a dark world (Mt. 5:13-14), how to withstand evildoers (Mt. 5:39) by showing God's love to the world through suffering at the hands of persecution from bullies (Mt. 5:39), foreclosing landlords (Mt. 5:40), and occupying Roman authorities (Mt. 5:41). It speaks of giving and lending to the most hopeless credit risks (Mt. 5:42). It speaks of a praying community ("Our Father, who art in heaven ..." Mt. 6:9) that fasts (Mt. 6:16), gives of itself (Mt. 6: 21), and depends completely on God (Mt. 25ff). It speaks of the non-judgment of individuals (Mt. 7:1), just as it speaks of the need to judge those who would be authorities in spiritual matters (Mt. 7:15ff).
Mission. There are several opportunities in our communities that are especially suited for the house church. An invitation offered to a work-place acquaintance to a home is much less threatening than one to a church, just as one example. Another is the unique value of the house church as a ministry to "the damaged" and the possibility of learning the joy of giving by elevating that practice to a personal level.
Of course there are objections to the independent house church that the reader will need to consider carefully:

Authority. House church advocates reject any human authority other than the very real and present rule of Christ, who was inaugurated the king of his church at the first Pentecost (Acts 2). The house church assembles to know the will of its king through the Holy Spirit and to be obedient to that will. Many in the professional clergy, however, understand their role as a "priestly" one in which they are to be intermediaries between the Lord and His flock, being thus trusted through the process with a certain degree of authority. While they seek the benefits of the vibrant Christianity that manifests itself in small groups, and work hard to make small groups a part of the ministry of their churches, many harbor a concern that the groups might become a threat to their own relevance and livelihood.
Heresy. Others argue that house churches, due to their lack of seminary trained clergy, might follow the examples of Jonestown and Waco. In this they have a point, as the New Testament is full of epistles that attempt to correct a legion of heresies in various churches--and all of the New Testament churches were, in fact, house churches. It is hoped that these pages can help house churches avoid this pitfall, taking over the seminary's role to the extent possible in a mere web site.
It is the hope of House Church Central that this site can help nurture the growth of the movement and also mitigate the concerns of house church nay-sayers.

Nathaniel Kapner

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Niphon writes:

"Its amazing how thru out america the question arises amongst certain Orthodox with certain backgrounds of protestanism," WHAT JURISDICTION?" for many Pious Black and white Clothed Priests and also Monastics in various jurisdictions including Traditionalists,old and new calendar are seeing an amazing outcome on how ex-protestants.."

Dear Niphon,

Not only are you incoherent, not only is your grammar of a 3rd grade level, but you presume to put yourself forward as a "critic" of the Orthodox Church scenario.

You are an amateur. You have yet to be baptized into the Church.
You ignore St Peter's exhortation, "As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word."

Your bishop has been alerted of your unwillingness to sit in the seat of "the catechumen." I am giving you this chance again.

Nathaniel Kapner

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Post by Nikodemus »

Niphon

You must remember that it is the people who were born orthodox that created the schisms we now see in orthodoxy. But Christ True Chruch is HERE, dont despair. FInd those who kept the same faith across the centuries and not sell out this faith on the altaras of ecumenism and you will discover: THE CHURCH

Exact science must presently fall upon its own keen sword...from Skepsis there is a path to "second religiousness," which is the sequel and not the preface of the Culture.

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First of all nathaniel You have no Right to talk to me in that tone and call my writing of a child, I am a child Im only 22 years old, whats your excuse? and yes as an adopted child i spent many years in some of the hardest Brooklyn Orphanages where the Prostitues took better care of us than the actual workers...You are right, my writing is bad, I only have a 6th grade education, and most of that was my fault I never had role models or a desire to live,so i took life for granted and lived the majority of my years after 16 on the streets with no schooling.and as far as Bishops are concerned you dont know my Bishop, so dont even go there....
you threatened me with venom of such haterd and i dont even know you.. I ignored more than half of your 100 posts when you first came on here,ignore mine ....and again If you cant ignore them,forgive me for upseting you..I wont write anything again........I was just being a person and sharing my views..as the majority of the people do on this list..........
please forgive me for making you upset,this is my right to write about what I feel..This bishop that you keep refering to isnt my bishop,He is a
pious Confessor Ill admit but not my bishop, and you are right i havent been baptised in this jurisdiction because I have been in prayer thinking about my situation ...but nathaniel he isnt my Bishop, and thats not my jurisdiction..in fact this jurisdiction isnt even in my imediate area anymore since i moved to the Baltimore area earlier this year...
I have talked to him once while on vacation thru california one time...and that my friend doesnt make him my bishop,my Bishop is way across the seas away from computers and the world................

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Brother Nathaniel wrote:

Not only are you incoherent, not only is your grammar of a 3rd grade level, but you presume to put yourself forward as a "critic" of the Orthodox Church scenario.

And you dare to put yourself up as the "defender" of some Orthodox Church scenario. No one need grant you such standing, if only because this very forum finds its purpose in greater disagreements about what that scenario is.

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Dear Brother Nathaniel,

It seems to me your criticisms of Niphon would have better been placed in a private message.

CGW,

Please do not call other posters rude even if they may be; if you find Bro. Nathaniel's posts rude please either contact him personally to give him a chance to explain himself or if you find that doesn't work, report it to me and I will intervene. Otherwise we may end up just fueling the flames.

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Post by SouthernOrthodox »

Niphon, you are a good man. Many of us could learn volumes from you. I have observed over the years, many of those who lock them selves in a room, open the holy writing and pound there fists on the table and yell. Never to agree on anything. Keep the faith.

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