What to do about Islamic Expansion in US?

[Hexapsalms]

Brendan--

If you can keep your universe so pristinely "Christianized" (I wonder what version?), then do stay in your house, close the blinds, and don't go out because you might contaminate yourself with someone who doesn't measure up to your yardstick.

Do you give your doctor or dentist a "faith" test, or ask for a report on their DNA to make sure they don't have a speck of non-white blood in them? Frankly, that's what the Nazis did and what a mess they had made, spreading their fascism everywhere, including the muslim world, and that same ideology mixed with Islam is exactly what we're dealing with now after 9/11. How many people have been needlessly and cruelly terrorized and killed (including millions of their own in a stupid, unnecessary wars) because of their crazy race or religion litmus tests.

When I go to the doctor, I don't care about whether he's Christian or white--I look for his doctor credentials, what clinic he's working from, etc. The doctor is treating my physical ailment, NOT MY SOUL. I don't know who owns the grocery store I trade at, I have no idea what races represent the stockholders at the telephone company--it would be stupid for me to waste so much of my precious time trying to make sure they pass MY tests of purity. How narcissistic!

There are yellow pages advertising "Christian" professionals and businesses, but I've learned the hard way that doesn't guarantee that the so-called "Christian" will not try to cheat me or that he's incompetent.

Your attitude has a lot in common with the Islamofascists and the Taliban who drove the Christians, Jews, Bahais, Hindus, and Buddhists out of their countries, killing whoever didn't move out fast enough. The Middle East is now a much poorer place now because of muslim ethnic cleansings, so you advocate the same nonsense here?

Where did you get your Christian education, fixated as you are on defining the true Christian by your hyperdefensive, fear-mongering? Where's your faith that God is in control? You want to "Christianize" this country by wholesale deportations of non-Christians and nonwhites--this is stupid, this is fascism. Next you'll be giving the litmus test to the Christians that are left to see if they are Christian enough by your standard. In Nazi Germany, certain "Christian" Nazi theologians even threw out the Old Testament because it was about the Jews. Later they began throwing out Christ because He was tainted with Jewish blood.

Christianity doesn't spread by isolating itself by country or race. Christ certainly told us to make disciplines of every race and country. You are like the one who (in the parable of the talents) was given a talent and instead of putting it to work, you buried it. Christ says what happened to that man--his talent was taken away from him and given to those who had used their talents wisely. Then the man was thrust out.

Are you and Artemon on this forum planting your "Christianized" racial views because you've been sent here by certain white-is-right fascist organizations who surf the web looking for forums to invade? I saw that happen on another site earlier this year. You're not interested in learning anything about Christian belief. It really looks like you're here to plant an evil heresy among us, and to see who you can hook for your masters.

[brendan]

If you can keep your universe so pristinely "Christianized" (I wonder what version?), then do stay in your house, close the blinds, and don't go out because you might contaminate yourself with someone who doesn't measure up to your yardstick.
masters.

You are long on rhetoric and name-calling, but come up short when when it comes to actually addressing any of the points I raised.

The message I'm getting from you is the more non-Christians we have, the better-off we will be. I'd like you to explain exactly how that can be true. Sorry, I can't see the logic behind such an idea.

[gphadraig]

Brendan, Brendan,

You make it sound so very simple. Are people of different faiths so easy to pick out? Where I live my neighbour is called Brendan. He is about 50 and from Dublin, where his family has lived for many generations. He and his family are Hindhus of a sort. I know simply because he told me. If I met him professionally how would I know he was not a Christian, of one hue or another? I had assumed wrongly he was a Roman Catholic, wrongly. My doctor is Indian but Christian and not from one of many other faiths you might expect.

For Europeans the strategy for suggest would be probably impossible. Take the United Kingdom, with its Bush ally Tony Blair as head of government. To follow your suggestion of trying to specify "no foreigners" might have two consequences, one being removed from your doctor's list and exposing yourself to a possible criminal charge - depending on the circumstances. Not quite so simple. Indeed keeping to your strategy it may be extremely difficult to impossible to undertake a whole range of activities dependent on where you live or do business. In North America you too are increasingly become an even more 'diverse' society too.

My concern though is your suggested 'solution appears to differ little from that of the strategy of the German National Socialist Party of the 1930s. Being a Christian is not exclusively a 'white' European phenomena nor does being a "white" European mean you are either a Christian or even well disposed to Christianity, many of the most virulently anti-Christian folk are precisely those of "white" European stock. Then there are the "odd" ideas that are held by some "white" Europeans including some Croatians who hold that Europe ends where Orthodoxy begins!

My real concern is not one of 'practicality' but of a sense of that what you suggest is the opposite of what it is to be Christian, and I do not have a 'woolly, sentimental view of what it is to be a Christian'. Our Saviour asked a Samaritan woman to bring him water. At that time it was unheard of for a pious believer, even a not so pious Jew to do such a thing. This is reflected in her response to His request. Samaritans were beyond the Pale, so to speak. If He who alone is perfect would ask a Samaritan woman for water, how may I behave as you suggest in the name of Christianity?

[brendan]

Brendan, Brendan,

You make it sound so very simple. Are people of different faiths so easy to pick out? Where I live my neighbour is called Brendan. He is about 50 and from Dublin, where his family has lived for many generations. He and his family are Hindhus of a sort. I know simply because he told me. If I met him professionally how would I know he was not a Christian, of one hue or another? I had assumed wrongly he was a Roman Catholic, wrongly. My doctor is Indian but Christian and not from one of many other faiths you might expect.

Regardless of what he calls himself, I would wager he still has more in common witha fellow European than a Hindu from India, since he has been part of western European culture since the day he was born.

For Europeans the strategy for suggest would be probably impossible. Take the United Kingdom, with its Bush ally Tony Blair as head of government. To follow your suggestion of trying to specify "no foreigners" might have two consequences, one being removed from your doctor's list and exposing yourself to a possible criminal charge - depending on the circumstances.

I would say that's more an indictment of the oppressive society that exists in England where freedom of association has been all but outlawed.

Not quite so simple. Indeed keeping to your strategy it may be extremely difficult to impossible to undertake a whole range of activities dependent on where you live or do business. In North America you too are increasingly become an even more 'diverse' society too.

I never said it can be done always. Not even I can do this 100% of the time.

My concern though is your suggested 'solution appears to differ little from that of the strategy of the German National Socialist Party of the 1930s.

No, actually its got nothing to do with Germany. What I advocate is purely American. You know it wasn't very along ago that Americans had complete freedom of association. Although, admittedly, we still have more than many other countries, our rights have still been greatly restricted in that area. In any case, my personal criteria for selecting a doctor or business is nobody's business. It shouldn't even be an issue, let alone one that involves my religion. My point is whenever there's the option, is it better that I help a Christian or non-Christian businessman? I would rather my money go to the Christian.

Being a Christian is not exclusively a 'white' European phenomena nor does being a "white" European mean you are either a Christian or even well disposed to Christianity, many of the most virulently anti-Christian folk are precisely those of "white" European stock. Then there are the "odd" ideas that are held by some "white" Europeans including some Croatians who hold that Europe ends where Orthodoxy begins!

I understand that many persons of European ancestry have turned against Christianity, but have they done that on their own or have they been influenced by the propaganda put out by non-Christians who are hostile to Christianity? Its been my observation that the people who are most active is taking concrete action to suppress Christian expression have almost exclusively been Jews, not so much atheists of Christian/European heritage.

My real concern is not one of 'practicality' but of a sense of that what you suggest is the opposite of what it is to be Christian, and I do not have a 'woolly, sentimental view of what it is to be a Christian'. Our Saviour asked a Samaritan woman to bring him water. At that time it was unheard of for a pious believer, even a not so pious Jew to do such a thing. This is reflected in her response to His request. Samaritans were beyond the Pale, so to speak. If He who alone is perfect would ask a Samaritan woman for water, how may I behave as you suggest in the name of Christianity?

I have no problem with people of other races becoming Christians. I wish all people were Christians. But that issue really is separate from whether we as Christians should accelerate or facilitate the de-Christianization of predominantly Christian societies. The question seems almost too absurd to put into words, but that sounds like what you are essentially trying to justify.

[joasia]

I skimmed through the commentaries and since it's about muslims, I thought I'd ask. I just want to mention what I saw in a documentary. Has anybody ever heard of Cat Stevens?

He's Greek, you know...meaning he grew up in an Orthodox family. But, one day, he decided to convert to islam. It was about 10 to 20 years ago.

Now what would make a Greek become muslim? That is an anomaly.

Joanna

[gphadraig]

Cat Stevens was born of a Cypriot father and Swedish mother in North London and went to an RC school. From his abbreviated autobiography it appears his religious education had little if any Orthodox content. However there appears to have been some kind of spiritual yearning which appears to have been largely unfulfilled until along came Islam and the appearance of 'Yusuf Islam', recently denied access to the U.S despite a previous visit some six months ago. This got a lot of negative publicity on this side of the pond.

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As to Brendan response, oh boy. The Hebrews disdain and seperation on grounds on religious grounds cannot be understated, yet Jesus of Nazareth uses the example of a 'good' Samaritan and Himself asks a Samaritan woman for water. Nought in quoted or written in the Gospels is there save for a purpose, but you, Brendan, airily dismiss it. It is irrelevant. You have no problem with people's of non-European stock becoming Christians. Really. I am glad because as you well know Christianity has its roots outside Europe and the first Christians were not Europeans. As to your statements about his grounding was it being more European than........? Yes, a withered derivation and product of a 1000 years seperation from the True Vine.

You appear to want not debate but argument, where you are advocate, judge and jury. I repeat again some of your arguments are too close for comfort to that of the 1930s German National Socialist Party, which of course had its admirers and fellow travellers on both sides of the pond. So geographical and time distance have exactly what relevance, Sir? Ideas travel across both!

It might also be timely to recall that some of the Orthodox original inhabitants of Alaska asked to be returned to Russia as they found their protestant American fellow citizens oppressive and beyond bearing. America like the rest of the world has its strengths and weaknesses. Like the UK lately oppressive legislation and evidence of oppressive social engineering are becoming increasingly obvious. Some of the examples of politically correct legislation owe their origins to America, including American academia. I suspect Brendan you may well look to your own before lambasting Tony Blair's fiefdom. In many, many ways he is drawing on lessons and examples set in the land of the free, me thinks. Ireland, well that's another story. Changed beyond recognition over the last thirty years. More money than ever, people are coming back rather than emigrating from; but anti-Christianity is alive and thriving, very, very sadly.

Anyway, good day to one and all........

[brendan]

You appear to want not debate but argument, where you are advocate, judge and jury. I repeat again some of your arguments are too close for comfort to that of the 1930s German National Socialist Party, which of course had its admirers and fellow travellers on both sides of the pond. So geographical and time distance have exactly what relevance, Sir? Ideas travel across both!

Well, Hitler built the first superhighway, so does that mean anyone driving on the Interstate highway today is a Nazi? LOL!

Evidently, in your mind, someone is either a believer in homogenizing all races or one is a Nazi - nothing in between. Maybe it will come as a shock to you, but poll after poll shows that the MAJORITY of Americans want immigration either greatly restricted or cut-off. Are they all Nazis? Its unfortunate, however, that the rest of the people have been brainwashed with liberalism, multiculturalism, marxism, and the idea that the only rights white people have is to die off to make way for the blacks, browns, yellows, etc. That's really the essence of what those who oppose my basic position are advocating. Those who think anyone and everyone should be allowed to flood into America are actually supporting the anihilation of white America (and with that the destruction of civilized Christianity). After all, in the whole world, white people are less than 15% of the population, so obviously unrestricted non-white immigration could easily overwhelm us.

Anyone who favors that is evil and demented. I don't care what religion that person is. Furthermore, I'm offended that there are people who even use the name of Jesus Christ to justify such a diabolical thing. But I think the biggest problem is many people just haven't thought the situation through to its logical conclusion. Its not that they actually want any group to be destroyed, but they support, without thinking, attitudes and policies which will cause that result. There's a lot of cognitive dissidence with people nowadays.

It might also be timely to recall that some of the Orthodox original inhabitants of Alaska asked to be returned to Russia as they found their protestant American fellow citizens oppressive and beyond bearing. America like the rest of the world has its strengths and weaknesses. Like the UK lately oppressive legislation and evidence of oppressive social engineering are becoming increasingly obvious. Some of the examples of politically correct legislation owe their origins to America, including American academia.

I wouldn't surprise me if this kind of Orwellian totalitarianism came from some American college. Many people think communism died with the USSR, but its alive and well on most American college campuses!

As of yet, in the US, we don't yet have laws which prevent criticism of certain groups like they do in England and Europe. In fact, I just heard that a preacher in Sweden was sentenced to a month in jail for a hate crime because he quoted what the Scriptures say about homosexuality! Another man was arrested for saying he didn't like Arabs in his neighborhood. Folks, its only a matter of time until the Bible is determined to be "hate literature" and outlawed. Mark my words.

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