Vatican cuts out kissing & pew jumping at communion

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Etienne
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Vatican cuts out kissing & pew jumping at communion

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The Times, London, 4 May, 2004

VATICAN CUTS OUT KISSING AND PEW-JUMPING AT COMMUNION
Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

The Roman Catholic Church has issued strict rules aimed at stamping out "abuses" of the rite of Holy Communion.

The Vatican document will put an end to an unorthodox liberalisation of the Mass in many parts of the Western world.

Practises now outlawed are indiscriminate kissing, hugging and pew-jumping during the "peace", the part of the service in which members of the congregation exchange greetings with each other. This must now be done in a "sober manner" and only with those standing near by.

The document also restricts the growing use of lay people to distribute Communion at Mass and bans the term "special ministers of the Eucharist" to describe them. Lay people should not be used except at busy services and must be decribed as "extra-ordinary ministers of Holy Communion", a change designed to emphasise the fact that they are not priests.

The document, Redemptionis Sacramentum, is explicit in poiinting out that pastoral assistants should not be confused with priests and condemns the "clericalisation" of the ministry of pay people.

The documents speaks of "shadows" behind present eucharistic practices> It says it is not possible to be silent about "grave" abuses that "in our day not infrequently plague liturgical celebrations".

The document goes on: "In some places the perpetration of liturgical abuses has become almost habitual, a fact which obviously cannot be allowed and must cease".

It cautions against celebrants giving free rein in their own inclinations. The results of the abuses are "uncertainty in matter of doctrine, perplexity and scandal on the part of the people of God".

According to the Catholic Herald, the instruction attempts to recapture the fervent piety of an earlier era, encouraging processions on feast days such as Corpus Christi and asking that deacons wear the dalmatic, a sleeved vestment rarely seen at services in Britain.

Sheridan Gilley, a prominent lay Catholic, writing in the Herald, says: "Practices are condemned which lend an air of secular dinner-time informality to the Mass".

The trend for simple pottery, glass or clay chalices instead of the traditional plate is also criticised> "Truly noble" materials should be used instead.

The long-awaited document does not, as was feared, ban altar girls, but it says that they should be used at the discretion of the bishop.


Howing little contact with RC forms of worship, I can only remain 'baffled' as to what "pew-jumping' might be. (Will we see it at the Athens Olympics?).

However, on a more serious note, I have no doubt that in Orthodox parishes there are regular 'liturgical abuses', with clergy 'giving way to their own inclinations'. Certainly I am told and read of such from time to time. The consequence is, "uncertainty, perplexity and scandal".

The Vatican documents allusion to "shadows" behind liturgical innovation is also interesting, although possibly a little late. (I long ago concluded that they had thrown the baby out with the bath-water). More importantly are there "shadows" behind 'liturgical abuses' within our present day Orthodox Church; i.e. shortening of services, little use of the Mystery of Repentance, etc?

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I spent the first twenty four years of my life as a very devout RC, and I saw just about every Liturgical abuse out there. Pew jumping is when someone comes flying across the church (ours was a stadium style) during the 'kiss of peace'/meet&greet, and practically jumping over pews and priests to shake your hand or hug you in an ultra Ned Flanders-ish way. :shock:

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Dear Phwtioc,

I am very glad that I never encountered anything like that, it sounds like behaviour more properly to be found on a rugby or football pitch.

Justin Kissel

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I honestly had no idea that that type of stuff happened in RC churches. I was in a Protestant Church where the Pastor would run down the aisle, but that was a totally anti-liturgical, anti-historical, anti-patristic (etc.) church. I'm happy that the RCC is taking some steps to "clean things up," so to speak.

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The RCC is an incredible mess. It is true that there are serious, serious problems in the Orthodox world. With that said, from a purely observational p.o.v. few of them line up with the anarchy in most Latin parishes. It's madness - and not just liturgical, but also in terms of basic Christian doctrine they're a mess. I really don't know how lont the "institutional" RCC is going to survive, at least in the form it has now. What's happened to Catholicism in the last fourty years is a good warning for "Orthodox" ecumenists about the road they're headed on.

Perhaps the only good thing I can say about this, in regards to Orthodoxy, is that some of the more radical changes which occured in the RCC are unlikely to take place on a wide scale...even in "world Orthodoxy." At least not without a very concious, deliberate betrayal. Part of the reason why the RCC fell apart so quickly, was precisely because of it's pyramid, rigidly heirarchal structure with the "infallible Pope" at the top. Without this, I really doubt that they could have destroyed their liturgy world wide, and so corrupted the beliefs and morals of their people as quickly and completely as they did. Proof positive that Papism is a tool of the anti-Christ - sad that so many "Orthodox" crave for their own version of this nonsense. :(

Seraphim

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Post by Etienne »

Thank you,

I had a Chilean Catholic friend. He used to mock Orthodox attachment to Icons, formal liturgical worship, confession, etc., etc. A really nice man in so many other ways but an example of something I had only previously read of in book or magazines, a proponent of 'liberation theology'. And everything else that went with it. And there was more of that than I would ever have guessed.

Then I began bumping into 'Old Catholics' and Anglo-Catholics. The former included some guys who later became known as 'Alpine Redemptorists'. Yet others involved groups of men with a couple of pious women tagging along. These were 'odd' in that the men were nearly all clergy. (I am old enough to remember the 'original' Redemptorists and little Basque Catholic priests, topped off with the famous beret).

What struck me on seeing these various re-constructions of 'traditional' Catholicity was none of it appeared authentic. Too many birettas, being just one example.

My concern is that while we may look on and say it is someone else's problem, there are trends within 'Orthodoxy' which resemble some of these phenomena too, sadly.

It would be easy to dismiss these groups but I wonder how many are genuine seekers after God caught up in something that does not lead them on a true pathway to the God-man, Jesus Christ; but rather into a spiritual deceit?

A clear and unambiguous witness by Orthodox Christians has, perhaps, never been more needed than at present. Given some of the behaviour of our 'own' could it be that we might look at whether our ecclesiastical 'discipline' needs a long and sober hard look?

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Any Church be it Eastern or Western, that makes changes to please "mankind" in place of God opens itself to the Evil One .

The "Church" and members are bound to suffer.

Just my 2 bits worth

james

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