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I thought you guys might be intrested in this, It is a discussion I had on the Uniate Message board the one I used to post on frequently as a Byzantine Catholic, the topic got way off it started to talk about
Ecumenism, the Ecumenical Patriarchate, The Filioque, ect...

Thought some of you would be intrested, I wanted to know if I had said any thing that would not be in Conformity with "Traditional Orthodox" Beliefs??

Let me know what you think, on that message board I am ByzantineAscetic the guys with 300 Posts.

http://www.byzcath.org/bboard/ultimateb ... 001373;p=1

In Christ
OL

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Post by Jakub »

OL,

If you question your answers perhaps you should have not spoken.

james

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Daniel,

Don't be discouraged by people who cannot address your points, but rather try to dismiss you out-of-hand and make you feel alone and helpless.

These people will write: "You are not in communion with 'world Orthodoxy'? You are alone and therefore we cannot listen to you". They will say, "I gather from your posts that you are young and therefore cannot know anything."

Remember, Moses, St. John the Forerunner, the apostles, and most of the prophets and saints of the Church were "alone and disputing the world"!

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While I am no fan of the tragedy known as "Uniatism", I have to say that while it is for all of the wrong reasons, the users on that forum have been correct in observing the problematic nature of your personal beliefs and the "church" you're intent on joining. You believe the EP to be heretical, yet you're going to join a 'church' which not only is in communion with him, but in fact is institutionally even further along in the ecumenist agenda, in that it has actually established communion with the Monophysites.

Your attitude towards the holy mysteries also strikes me as that of a vagante - your basic plan (if I'm getting this correctly) is to take the baptism of the Antiochians, take the ministrations of "worldly Orthodoxy"'s clerics when "necessity" demands it, but as soon as you can basically ditch all of these entirely to join the Cyprianites. This entire outlook sounds like the vagantes, who believe "valid sacraments" are like chattle that can be taken hold of and transferred irregardless of ecclessial boundaries.

I noticed you said, besides possibly the Cyprianites, you'd consider joining the GOC of "Archbishop Chrysostom". Do you mean Chrysostmos the II, Archbishop of Athens? This is OOD's Church. If so, you're describing a group whose beliefs and ecclessiology is indistinguishable from that of ROAC The zealot monks on Mt.Athos who actually act consistantly with their beliefs, are also members of this Church.

I also noticed you once again could not resist a chance to bash the ROAC. "Conspiracy theorist"? It seems to be that the only thing which differentiates your views on "world Orthodoxy" and that of the "conspiracy theorists", is that theirs is consistant, yours is waivering.

I know the temptation you endure in your search - the possibility of being estranged from a regular liturgical life in a Church for long periods of time, the lack of "at least one Church in every major city". But what worth are prayers said in impiety? Particularly by someone who knows better, who knows his leaders and many of his co-religionists are either heretics, or communers of heresy?

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Post by PFC Nektarios »

Join the Cyprianites?

No I am not going to join there jurisdiction, I just read some stuff by them.
GOC under Chrysostom no I will not be joining them either. Bash the ROAC no I will not do that either.

Yes I will be baptized into the Antiochian Orthodox Church, this is the closest Orthodox parish to me, I want to become Orthodox before I get into the Marine Corps full time. All I care about is that my parish is a good home for me and my priest is not a Modernist or Ecumenist. Long Hair, beared, cassock all the time, teaches in our catachumenate classes against the Balamand "Agreement", openly says that Catholic and Protestant Sacraments
are without grace ect, ect.... so its a nice place to be and he is a good priest and teacher.

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Thank you OOD

Humbly In Christ
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seraphim reeves said to Orthodox Learner:

"But what worth are prayers said in impiety?"

Definition of impiety:

impiety

\Impi"ety\, n.; pl. Impieties. [L. impietas, fr. impius impious;
cf. F. impi['e]t['e]. See Impious, Piety.] 1. The quality of being
impious; want of piety; irreverence toward the Supreme Being; ungodliness; wickedness.

  1. An impious act; an act of wickedness.

Those impieties for the which they are now visited. --Shak.

Syn: Ungodliness; irreligion; unrighteousness; sinfulness;
profaneness; wickedness; godlessness.

Could you explain what you meant by that statement Seraphim in
regards to Orthodox Learner?

With humble bow,

Rd. Chrysostomos

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