New Calendarists Want Apocalypse! Marble King! Such Ending!

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New Calendarists Want Apocalypse! Marble King! Such Ending!

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sojourning_one wrote: Sun 20 October 2024 7:06 pm

Just saw this related comment on the Orthodox Tradition youtube channel. Many World Orthodox actually are hoping/waiting for WW3 to come and cause the "last ecumenical council" to be called. May God help them come to the truth without waiting for something that may not come to pass.

That one's quite the rabbit hole. It probably deserves a thread of its own.

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With this whole marble emperor thing with St John Vatatzes or Constantine XI (who was a Uniate and far from any kind of Saint or Martyr), I always say it's interesting all the New Calendarist FFW types seem to put their faith in it. In fact I would say it has similarities with another group of people who put their faith in marble:

The pagans.

Besides that, with St. John Vatatzes, this whole "sleeping king" tradition isn't actually supported by any Greek Fathers or in the Synaxarion. It appears to be a lay tradition and not really historically supported the Church. There are also Greeks who like to walk over hot coals on the Nativity of St. John the Forerunner, so I don't think that's too far out of the question.

I know someone who has actually seen St. John's relics. He's not "sleeping" in the traditional sense but rather what we mean when someone has fallen asleep. Some people actually think he's still alive and actually literally sleeping right now and can wake up at any time. Which is ridiculous.

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Well with Constantine XI I've had people insist that even if a Uniate he is still a "national martyr." I dare say that attitude was what got them into the mess in the first place. Put the political entity first, go to the heretics for military help and lose everything, country included, only to then claim the consequences of one's own actions as "martyrdom."

They're pretty serious about the marble emperor. The story I heard was that when the city fell the clergy disappeared into the walls of Hagia Sophia because the liturgy cannot be stopped, so when the marble emperor returns they will come right back out and continue. Rhetorical question: Assuming there was a service in progress when the city fell, was it Orthodox or Uniate? You know the answer.

People I know, already want to go see him when he comes. My gut reaction to that was that, although it would be good if it did happen, over-eagerness to go see the marble emperor would lead one to worship Antichrist if he were the one to show up instead.

It would have been nice. How lovely it would be if we could live in a sane world. Unfortunately the world we grew up in is gone. It never existed; only the scales fell from our eyes. I think that to accept that is merely adulthood. Even under Christian Empire the world still preferred sin to Christ.

Thanks for confirming regarding St. John. I'm already at the point where nearly every time there are false prophecies, miracles, and visions telling people to stay with the New Calendarists and wait for the Big Reveal, I want to start looking for the hand of Elder Ephraim. There's something very seriously wrong there.

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The whole thing reminds me of the film "The Forbidden Kingdom" without the Kung Fu sequences

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