Mousethief
I am apalled by the way people who know absolutely NOTHING about blessed Olga or the multitude of native Alaskans who are asking for her elevation are shooting off their mouths and attacking the OCA like it was a saint factory intent on elevating as many unworthy "saints" as possible.
I know a little more than "NOTHING"
I am appalled that you are being so presumptuous. I have just as much information about Olga as any other person on this forum. Probably more than most since I've actually taken the time to read all that I could find on her. If Orthodoc didn't want to discuss the matter, he shouldn't have brought the topic up. Or did he expect everyone to just accept everything without examination and that no one would have a contrary opinion?
And I apologize if you're offended, but what is one suppose to say when you see people trying to make some like Fr. Alexander Schmemann into saints? Call me ignorant, but it does seem like they tend to stray from a cautious, conservative approach (ie. Orthodox approach) on such things.
Is this the best "traditionalism" has to offer?
Yes, we're all just a bunch of jurisdiction-bashing, closed-minded fools. (I'm not putting those words into your mouth, I'm making a statement reflecting my own opinion).
Orthodoc
Didn't you read the account of her funeral?
I've read everything that's online--some things multiple times (since the subject has come up a few times). I've not read anything in book form. That's about as clear as I can get as to what I know and don't know.
your concept of what a saint is and the so called requirements for a saint seem more western than Orthodox.
Actually, my concept of sainthood is a bit "off" compared to the mainstream in Orthodoxy today. Not because it's too "western," but because it's too old. The recognition of saints (from laity to bishops to councils to hagiographical writings) has changed drastically from the first century to the twenty-first century. I hold to a set of beliefs about saints which is--I admit--from an earlier (Orthodox, not "western") time. I think you were being presumptuous and reading a lot into my words that weren't there, and you therefore thought I was thinking in a "western" manner...
Ever hear of localized saints?
What's that?
That's a joke. Yes, believe it or not, I have.
Any saint canonized by a specific Orthodox Church does not have to be recognized or venerated by all Orthodox Churches.
A point I think I've made about a half dozen times in the past 3 months on this forum (mostly regarding Saint Justin Popovich).
I don't know where you get the idea Fr Alexander Schmemann is being considered for sainthood.
Serge thinks he's a saint. So does a certain fringe OCA monastery. I saw a thread one time over at belief.net where every Orthodox Christian listed Alexander Schmemann among their list of people they thought were saints. How is someone's opinion "rumor"? Rumor is something you hear that isn't true, or something that's passed around that shouldn't be (though that's more like gossip).
Then why are you recognizing St Alexis Toth?
I didn't say that all recognitions of sainthood required centuries, I just said it was the norm. However, veneration at the local level normally begins rather quickly. Guess what? I'm the local level.
If so, you shouldn't be... going by the criteria you are exponding here.
I hope you can now see that you misunderstood what I was saying.
As stated previously, St Basil the Great was accepted as a saint immediately after his death.
Did you see when I said "most"? I said that, historically, most saints weren't officially (or whatever word you want to use) recognized for hundreds of years. I never said there wouldn't be Basil the Great's and Athanasius'. Again, hopefully you can now see that you misunderstood (and read a perceived "westernism" into) my thoughts.
Justin