What Would It Take For The MP To Be Traditionalist?

Kollyvas · Post by **Kollyvas** » Mon 30 January 2006 4:37 am

Share your opinion.

chrsstms · Post by **chrsstms** » Mon 30 January 2006 12:19 pm

Greetings!

IMO, since they are by far the largest Orthodox body (at least AFAIK) they have the chance to step up to the plate and turn back the sorry events of 1924 in Istanbul.

I have always thought that the "Ecumenical Patriarchate" such as it is, should be transferred to the Moscow Patriarchate, as it was the Third Rome. (Of course, I'm being rather simplistic here.)

Well, one can hope, right?

Chrysostomos

ultra_sinful · Post by **ultra_sinful** » Tue 31 January 2006 10:56 am

He would certainly have to repent and follow Holy Tradition according to the Holy Canons, Holy Fathers and Holy Ecumenical Synods.

Cat.Timothy. · Post by **Cat.Timothy.** » Tue 31 January 2006 6:20 pm

ultra_sinful wrote:
He would certainly have to repent and follow Holy Tradition according to the Holy Canons, Holy Fathers and Holy Ecumenical Synods.

The Soviet Church would have to do more than repent. It would have to gain Apostolic sucessesion.

Theophan.

CorpusChristi · Post by **CorpusChristi** » Tue 31 January 2006 8:49 pm

When we talk of apostolic succession have we thought of the two parts of this Apostolical succession, ther is the Physical and the spiritual sides of apostollic succession..for instance the Latin church has Physical Apostolic succession, but has lacked the spiritual side for 1000 plus years.....
does the Mp lack the Physical only ? this is why MP needs
Rocor(MotherChurch), for this apostolic succession to once again come into exixtence in the Patriarch of moscow.........

pjhatala · Post by **pjhatala** » Tue 31 January 2006 10:51 pm

Cat.Timothy. wrote:
ultra_sinful wrote:
He would certainly have to repent and follow Holy Tradition according to the Holy Canons, Holy Fathers and Holy Ecumenical Synods.

The Soviet Church would have to do more than repent. It would have to gain Apostolic sucessesion.

Theophan.

By whom do you think Met. Sergius was tonsured?

Jean-Serge · Post by **Jean-Serge** » Wed 1 February 2006 10:48 am

Thinking there is apostolical succession only because the ordination was made by bishops whose origins can be traced to the Apostles is wrong and a catholic thinking. Thus the heretics (Arians, Monophysites, Catholics etc) bishops would have apostolical succession which is wrong because they lost it due to their heresy...

Now the MP could have back its Apsotolical succession from ROCOR if he repented, which is not occuring... So ROCOR will lose its apostolical succession due to its falling in the MP mistakes...

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