What to do about Islamic Expansion in US?

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gphadraig wrote:

Many attracted to Islam appear to be drawn by the apparent and single messages. It offers seemingly not simply belief but a whole life-style and sense of belonging.

Part of our problem is also that most people really have no idea what the Orthodox Church is. At best there seems to be only some vague notion that Orthodoxy somehow connected with the RCC or a Russian version of Catholicism and that's about it.

I think we can do a lot better at getting the word out. I would like to see a whole lot more internet presence besides a single half-hour internet radio program - Come See the LIght. We should have 24/7 Orthodox programming. Even the most obscure Protestant cult does a better job in this area.

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Wheeler,

Are you late for your KKK meeting? Just curious.

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Anastasios wrote: (in the thread about voting)

What's wrong with more immigration? We need more immigration to fuel our economy. I used to live in North Carolina and if we didn't have so much immigration our economy would have been shot because there would have been no one to do the jobs that we needed done, like farm work, factory work, cleaning services, etc.

If we hadn't of killed over 40 million of our own kind, would we not have enough people in this country?

How stupid is this? We kill 40 million of our own flesh and blood and then allow foreigners and their foreigner religions in?

Who is deceived?

And yes there is a shortage of manual labor workers in America because we teach everybody to go to college. You have no value unless you have a college degree. All parents think they have to get their kid into college. Scripture says, "Hate not thou laborious work". Well, there is a great amount of the love of money in this country. Money is all important. That is why college is important.

Where are the Orthodox Bishops teaching about manual labor? Why are Orthodox children going immediately into College? because they and their parents hate manual labor. So we import mexicans to do our dirty work because we are tooooo good to stoop and dig.

No child should go to college until the age of 25. Let them serve our country as laborers and soldiers and sailors. Learn common sense instead of a love of money.

Where are the Orthodox?

The Orthodox is a loser church. The young do not know the faith, the churches are dying the people are dying. and the orthodox are clueless to what is going on around here. The Muslims are winning. They are victorious. They know how to win. Christians are just losers.

Immigration is wrong that jeopardizes the majority. Immigration is wrong when it disrupts the racial balance of any society. This immigration now, is not godly but ungodly. Immigration today and its philosophical basis comes from socialism and communism not from godly principles.

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Natasha wrote:

Wheeler,
Are you late for your KKK meeting? Just curious.

Wheeler is a protestant, cut off from the Truth, cut off from the Apostolic Tradition, and cut off from the Body of Christ. He is deserving of our sympathy.

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The Orthodox is a loser church. The young do not know the faith, the churches are dying the people are dying. and the orthodox are clueless to what is going on around here.

This is why the Jews hated Jesus, because he was of a "loser church" who did not care about "imigration" and "what was going on around him" politically, socially, and economically. He didn't care enough about the kingdoms of this world.

There are about as many Muslims in America as their are "Orthodox". It should not shock anyone that there are now 18 Mosques in Chicago; I have always wondered why their were so few.

The Muslims are not going to take over or convert any "enlightened" Westerner, who are mostly post-Christian. The Westerner already has his new religion and nothing but nothing will interfere with it, this religion is himself.

The only thing the Orthodox need to do is pray, and be concerned about his own salvation. As has been evidenced on this and other forums over many months, people are rarley convinced of anything by debates and mere words. We are wasting and squandering our time if we think anyone will be convinced of anything with mere information because it is not enough to uderstand, people can convince themselves of anything given time and motive. Far more important is for the Heart to be converted, this is the motive, and this can only be done by a person with the Grace of God. As the words of the Saints say, save yourself and thousands around you will also be saved. Those around you are the ones you love the most. Be a missionary to them by being a living example!

And I am the biggest fool of them all, having known this but not actually having accepted it.

With very few exceptions, there is no such thing as missionaries in the Orthodox Church. We do not need "missionaries", we need icons of Christ who are the lights on the lampstand, setting the example for everyone who wishes to see, see. We do not need missionaries, or internet know-it-alls like me (so I think), which is just following the well-worn path of the Protestants, we need saints!

Study even one of the pillar saints and you will see exactly what I mean - they are the antithesis of a "missionary", they were certainly, as Wheeler put it, earthly "losers"(!), but one thing is for sure, they are still "missionizing".

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Brendan wrote:

[quote]As I understand Orthodox teaching on marriage and reproduction, birth control is categorically condemned for young married couples, but how many couples are abiding by this. How many even think about it?

Children are a blessing from God. You seem to be saying children are a burden and NOT using birth control is foolish. [/quote]

  1. Be careful of making assumptions.

I never intimated that I believed in birth control. If you properly follow the teachings of when and where then it is a natural birth control in and of itself. However....(never mind I won't go there...)

  1. Children are not a burden, by any means and those who have been so blessed are truly blessed. That good old saying...God helps those who help themselves....certainly applies here. The children are the important thing, it is the measure of our responcibility how we take care of them. If I and my husband have to work two jobs each to support a gaggle of kids, who is going to teach, raise, supervise and so on in our absence? How have we served the children? I know of what I speak here, my uncle had twelve children and the litany of the results would turn your head gray!

OOD is right when he writes,

[quote]We are wasting and squandering our time if we think anyone will be convinced of anything with mere information because it is not enough to uderstand, people can convince themselves of anything given time and motive. Far more important is for the Heart to be converted, this is the motive, and this can only be done by a person with the Grace of God. As the words of the Saints say, save yourself and thousands around you will also be saved. Those around you are the ones you love the most. Be a missionary to them by being a living example![/quote]

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Re: What to do about Islamic Expansion in US?

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brendan wrote:

Our priest today said he had just returned from a meeting with other Orthodox clergy from around the country. One of the main topics of discussion was what should Orthodoxy do about the tremendous expansion of Islam in the US. In Chicago, for example, the number of mosques has increased from 2 to 18 in just the past few years and shows no sign of stopping. More disturbing, many native-born US citizens are converting to Islam and this is fueling Muslim expansion.

It was recommended that all Orthodox Christians re-dedicate themselves to their Church, pray more, and also to seriously increase proselytizing efforts. I think this is all good.

Any comments or further suggestions? I have a couple, but I'll see what you folks have to say.

brendan,
I have checked out your profile and clicked on the link to "view all posts by brendan" , and there seems to be a common thread throughout all your posts. It's interesting how often words like "jew', 'judaizers", "anti-semetism", "Islam", and "immigration" pop up in your posts.
George

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