On effeminacy

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On effeminacy

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In I Cor 6. 9 is the where St. Paul uses the term, "malakos". I am on an online encyclopedia and have put up an article on the term effeminacy and the traditional meaning of the term.

We are in a battle for our Greek and Christian culture. I am right now in a battle with people who want to deconstruct the term and rewrite it according to homosexual propaganda and modern scholarship. I call it revisionism.

I need some serious scholary help and back up. I am Greek Orthodox and I am trying to do my best.

I first wrote this article but not under the same title. It was first titled "Effeminacy" and then I had to seperate it out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_ ... effeminacy

The information of the below article they want to combine with the above article. I think that there can be two articles and that the word malakos in Greek does not have the same connotation and meaning that they want.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effeminacy

I need some serious help here. Can you please help me in Jesus name?

This is one of my arguments.
(English is a terrible language. It is not comparable to Greek. Greek is a very scientific language. It has deeper varied meanings to their words. English is a late language and not a pure one. Just because the English strove coined the term effeminacy for several things does not make it a technical language nor an exact translation of the word malakos. Virtue is not a gender role.
:::[[Werner Jaeger]] writes, "The qualities which usually came under the name aretai, "excellences" or "virtues", in the Greek polis—courage, prudence, justice, piety—are excellences of the soul just as health, strength, and beauty are excellences of the body. That is, they are the appropriate powers of particular parts of the soul or their co-operation cultivated to the highest pitch of which man's nature is capable." ''Paideia'', Vol II, pg 44.
::The origin of the word is the Greek word malakos. Their usage comes from the Bible and then the Latin Bible and Plato's writings. The Victorian English concept is the Greek classical concept.)

In Socratic and Aristoleian philosophy, Malakos is a vice. Can you read my article, correct my falacies and help me support the traditional meaning please.

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I can put you in touch with George Gabriel. He is Greek himself and an author of a few books and has translated others. He was also a classmate of Fr. John Romanides in theology school. His specialty seems to be iconography and language. He never ceases to fascinate me.

Send me a message with your email address, and I will forward it to him.

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If you go to the Classical Definition of Effeminacy at Wikipedia.org It is there on the first site, the 1870 English-Greek Lexicon full reference is provided in the section called "Lexicon entry".

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This is one of my arguments.
English is a terrible language. It is not comparable to Greek. Greek is a very scientific language. It has deeper varied meanings to their words. English is a late language and not a pure one.

May I suggest that these comments on the English language are out of order? "English is a terrible language" is certainly about as subjective as a statement can get, and these comments are extraneous to your argument. If English is not capable of expressing philosophical and scientific concepts, then why write in English at all?

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I don't know about english being a terrible language, but it is very complicated and ugly.[/i]

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Greek is a highly technical language much like German. English being a terrible language to connote philosophical meaning is widely held. I don't have to apologize. It is the truth.

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Captured in 1919 by World War I American Forces from a Communist Party office were documents on how to secure Germany for Communism. The first thing mentioned was “To destroy the ruggedness of the People”. (Plato said, “The beginning of truth is to wonder.”) Now, ask yourself WHY?

Can you find what word is missing in the below verses?

NEW BIBLES
Nestle-Aland Greek-English New Testament 26th edition l979 (Used as textbook in Roman Catholic Seminaries.)

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1 Cor 6:9 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, not idolaters, not adulterers, not sexual perverts, …will inherit the kingdom of God.”		

The New American Bible with Nihil Obstat Stephen J. Hartdegen, O.F.M.,S.S.L. Christian P. Ceroke, O. Carm., S.T.D. Imprimatur: Patrick Cardinal O’Boyle, D.D. Archbishop of Washington l987

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1 Cor 6:9  “Do you not know that the unjust will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be deceived; neither fornicators nor idolaters nor adulterers nor boy prostitutes not 				practicing homosexuals…will inherit the kingdom of heaven.”

The Orthodox Study Bible with Joseph Allen, Th. D.; Jack Norman Sparks, PH. D.; Theodore Stylianopoulos, Th. D.; Archbishop IAKOVOS, Metropolitan THEODOSIUS. 1993

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1 Cor 6:9 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God?  Do not be 			deceived.  Neither fornicators, not idolaters, not adulterers, not homosexuals, nor sodomites, will inherit the kingdom of God.

OLD BIBLES
The New American Catholic Edition The Holy Bible Imprimatur Francis Cardinal Spellman l958

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1 Cor 6:9  “Or do you not know that the unjust will not possess the kingdom of God?  Do not err; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor sodomites,…will possess the kingdom of God.”

The King James Bible

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1 Cor 6.9 “Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?  Be not deceived:  neither fornicators, not idolaters, not adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves  with mankind…shall inherit the kingdom of God.

What is this word Effeminate? How come modern Bibles don’t have this word in it but older Bibles do?
In the original Greek there are five activities mentioned, but in a scholarly professional work of a 26th edition, only four of the five words are translated into English. They use the word ‘sexual perverts’. The Greek is clear on its own meaning. The two Greek words are “malakoi” and “arsenokoitai”. “Arsenokoitoi” in the literal translation of the Greek means “men who lie with men” and the literal translation of “malakoi” is “soft” and when applied to a man means “effeminate”.
At the college I attended, I reread Plato’s Republic in which Socrates remarks that “Too much music effeminizes the man”. I thought this an odd comment until the fundamentalist Protestants on campus began a campaign amongst themselves to push other Protestant Christians to use only The King James Bible. Their contention was that modern Bibles mistranslate quite a few verses and that the only Bible to trust is the KJV. When I picked up their material, 1 Corinthians 6:9 jumped out. My Roman Catholic Bible, The New American Bible, did not have this same verse. My friend in the classical department pointed out the Greek. The King James Bible was correct and my version was in error.

What are they trying to hide? What is so important that this word is left out of one Bible and mistranslated in others but not mistranslated in old Bibles? What is going on?

Words have meaning. They convey ideas. Lose the word, society loses the idea and the concept. When is the last time or have you ever heard the word, “effeminate” or “effeminization”? This word like manliness is gone completely out of our vocabulary and our educational system. The idea of manliness and effeminancy is totally lost on modern society. Ask yourself, is it by chance or by design?

Plato’s Republic

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“The one producing a temper of hardness and ferocity, the other of softness and effeminacy.”  To the answer of an exclusive devotion to gymnastics and the exclusive devotion to music.  (III Republic, pg 118 Translator B. Jowett, M.A., Vintage Books.)

In a paraphrase, “Too much music effeminizes the male.”
Plato’s Republic is an educational treatise. Though it is a discussion of the State, many of Socrates discussion centers around education. Education deals with culture and Culture defines politics.
Does “too much music” turn a boy into boy prostitute or a sexual pervert?

Herodotus Loeb Classical Library Pg 197 Book 1 155-157

“But let the Lydians be pardoned; and lay on them this command, that they may not revolt or be dangerous to you; then, I say, and forbid them to possess weapons of war, and command them to wear tunics under their cloaks and buskins on their feet, and to teach their sons lyre-playing and song and dance and huckstering (the word “retail” in one translation). Then, O King, you will soon see them turned to women instead of men; and thus you need not fear lest they revolt.”
This is an appeal from King Croesus, the king of the Lydians, a Greek city and people on the West coast of Turkey, to the Persian King. What the defeated king proposes is to inculturate softness in order to make them docile and servile.
Here is the principle “Culture defines Politics”. Evil men and Good men read this both. A good man prevents the effeminization of men while an evil man (i.e. a socialist) seeks to effeminize the men (or is deceived into doing it.)

Crudens Complete Concordance pg 755 “Weak and ineffectual men are sometimes spoken of as women”. First published in 1737.

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Isa 3:13  (Masoretic Text)
“As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.  O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.”

Isa 19:16 (Septuagint)
“But in that day the Egyptians shall be as women, in fear and in trembling because of the hand of the Lord of hosts, which he shall bring upon them.”

Nah 3:13 (Septuagint)
“Behold, thy people within thee are as women: the gates of thy land shall surely be opened to thine enemies: the fire shall devour thy bars.”

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Jer 28:30(Septuagint)

“The warrior of Babylon has failed to fight; they shall sit there in the siege; their power is broken; they are become like women; her tabernacles have been set on fire; her bars are broken.”

Clearly, the Old Testament realizes this same concept. The Greeks have a word for this and it is called “malakoi” effeminate.

Dictionary of Early Christian Beliefs, David W. Bercot, Editor pg 445

“A true man must have no mark of effeminacy visible on his face, or any other part of his body. Let no blot on his manliness, then, ever be found either in his movements or habits.” St. Clement of Alexander (c. 195, E), 2.289.

“And let not men, therefore, spend their time in barbers’ shops and taverns, babbling nonsense. And let them give up hunting for the women who sit nearby, and ceaselessly talking slander against many to raise a laugh.” St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 195, E), 2.289

“What is the purpose in the Law’s prohibition against a man wearing woman’s clothing? Is it not that the Law would have us to be masculine and not to be effeminate in either person or actions--or in thought and word? Rather, it would have the man who devotes himself to the truth to be masculine both in acts of endurance and patience--in life, conduct, word, and discipline.” St. Clement of Alexandria (c. l95, E), 2.365.

Pg 693.
“Therefore, we also reckon that the woman should be continent and practiced in fighting against pleasures, too.… Women are therefore to philosophize equally with men, though the males are preferable at everything, unless they have become effeminate. To the whole human race, then, discipline and virtue are a necessity, if they would pursue after happiness…” St. Clement of Alexandria (c. 195, E), 2.419, 420

Pg 694
“It is not permitted to a woman to speak in the church, not to teach, baptize, offer, or to claim to herself a lot in any manly function, not to mention the priestly office.” Tertullian (c. 207, W), 4.33

I picked up an old book on education at my college library. In it was the phrase, “How can we educate without effeminizing?” To this day I kick myself for not keeping a reference of this.

In my humble opinion, this word, “malakoi” is the most important word in the whole bible. Why else would they mistranslate the word so improperly? Because it is a dangerous word. It is a dangerous word because of the concepts and ideas that it entails. The sin of Adam was that he was effeminate. He was weak and ineffectual. St. Paul blames Adam not Eve for the falling away. Adam was responsible. Not Eve. The principle, ‘culture defines politics’, is more clearly defined in Plato’s Republic. It is the principle of microcosm/macrocosm; what goes in the little part, so goes the whole. As the man is effeminate, so is the state. As the man is effeminate, so is the church. As the man is weak and ineffectual, so is the church weak and ineffectual.
Christianity can not survive in effeminate men. Self government only existed among the Greeks because of their manliness. It was this major factor that made them free and self governing. The Persians and other asiatics lived under tyranny. The one word that the Greeks described the asiatics and the Persians was the word, “malakoi”.

CONNECT THE DOTS.

Effeminacy and Thought

Xenophon, Econ. IV, 3 as quoted in “The Greeks” by Kitto

“Men do indeed speak ill of those occupations which are called handicrafts, and they are rightly held of little repute in communities, because they weaken the bodies of those who make their living at them by compelling them to sit and pass their days indoors. Some indeed work all the time by a fire. But when the body becomes effeminate the mind too is debilitated. Besides, these mechanical occupations leave a man no leisure to attend to his friends’ interests, or the public interest. This class therefore cannot be of much use to his friends or defend his country. Indeed, some states, especially the most warlike, do not allow a citizen to engage in these handicraft occupations.”

Thomas Jefferson, Foley, ed., Encyclopedia of Thomas Jefferson, p. 318

“A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walk.”

The Ancients did not divorce the body from the mind. 2200 years later, Thomas Jefferson recognized the same thing. The body is not separate from the mind. There is no compartmentalization. Weak body, weak mind. Strong body, strong mind.

To strengthen the argument of the “mechanics”, Thomas Jefferson, furthermore, said pretty much the same thing:

“The mobs of great cities add just so much to the support of pure government, as sores do to the strength of the human body….I consider the class of artificers as the panderers of vice, and the instruments by which the liberties of a country are generally overturned.”
(quoted in Liberty or Equality, Erik von Kuenhelt-Leddhin, pg 6, reference from “Works”, ed, Washington [New York: Derby and Jackson, 1859], I, 403.)

One can have all the academic excellence in the world but if the man doesn’t have boldness in proclaiming it, what’s it worth? St. Augustine said, “It is not enough to be good, it is necessary to fight evil.” “To Fight” requires manliness and boldness. What good is faith without manliness?

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