jdigrande,
I have split off your post from its original thread since you have directly violated a moderator directive by continuing to post contentiously. Since this is not the first time, you are being giving a public warning.
Maria
Administrator
jdigrande wrote:Met Kirykos is listed on this site (by Maria) as Met. Kirykos under Traditonal Orthodox Churches along with the Metropolitan who forms the third faction from the GOC schism of the 1990's.
Thanks for reminding me. I have deleted the web links to those two schismatic factions and have removed the title "Metropolitan" in front of their names. Since both of these schismatic groups believe that only their baptisms and sacraments are valid, as does Gregory of Colorado, they are no longer listed as part of the True Traditional Orthodox.
The real danger here is that Orthodox Christian married then divorced priests could be re-baptized, re-married to a new wife, and then re-ordained because all sacraments from all other Orthodox churches are considered to be non-existent. This is exactly what Gregory of Colorado has done. And I suspect that Kirikos is doing this likewise since Monk Seraphim was re-baptized, re-chrismated, re-ordained, and then re-consecrated.
jdigrande wrote:From the point of view of the GOC of Arch. Stephanos, all the Acacian bishops from 1960 on are schismatics and thus should be called by the title, Mr. or Doctor (if they have a PHD).
This is very contentious red herring. I know where this is going as it is a point often made by Kirikos and his schismatic faction.
Archbishop Stephanos has always been very polite to the point of irritating Kirikos because His Eminence Archbishop Stephanos is trying to win people over to Christ through charity and truthfulness. On the other hand, Kirikos and his sect consider all those outside of their schismatic church, including Archbishop Stephanos, as unbaptized pagans and will tell that to people's faces directly to challenge them to join their schism. It is a recruitment tool, and it was used against me, so I speak from experience.
jdigrande wrote:
I understand Maria's point of view in that the schism within her church was painful and she and her spiritual father demand that he be called Monk Kirykos. But for the rest of us (many of whom are not in the Greek Church) we have not come to a final conclusion regarding the schism.
Listen carefully, jdigrande.
Schism and heresy in Christ's Holy Church are very deadly serious sins akin to murder, because these sins lead people astray causing death in one's soul and the loss of salvation.
So, in my point of view, not only is the Kirikos schism painful, but more importantly, it is deadly, causing the damnation of souls to hell.
jdigrande wrote: As far as who is portrayed on the Trinity ikon: God the Father or the Ancient of Days and when exactly when it entered into Orthodoxy, it is still being debated. But the important thing is that these ikons have never been destroyed or removed from Churches in the GOC whether in the church of Met. Kirykos or Stephanos.
I have also noticed that you have consistently and carefully addressed Kirikos as either Bishop or Metropolitan, but you usually have referred to Archbishop Stephanos without his proper title, preferring to call him Stephanos. Furthermore, Archbishop Stephanos is a ruling Archbishop, not a mere Metropolitan.