HTM was under ROCOR when Met. Philaret of New York was alive, but within one year after his falling asleep in the Lord, HTM had schismed from ROCOR for an uncanonical reason mainly to evade the Panteleimon question. Then they went to Archbishop Auxentios and begged him to consecrate two bishops to form their new HOCNA jurisdiction in North America.
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Maria, you have stated that ROCOR in 1976 was in heresy and the GOC was correct to sever communion. Most of the clergy and virtually all of the laity that left ROCOR in 1986 also did so because they believed that the Russian Synod was in heresy. So, you must acknowledge that what they did was correct. It is wrong of you to assert that they left to evade the Panteleimon question. They were fully convinced that ROCOR, through the actions of people such as Archbishop Anthony of Geneva and the inaction of the other bishops to correct such ecumenistic conduct, had fallen into heresy. You should commend them for finally realizing what the GOC had known for 10 years.
Also, when the clergy and laity left ROCOR, they went under two Greek bishops named Akakios and Gabriel. After Bishop Gabriel withdrew from this union they left Bishop Akakios to go under Archbishop Auxentios and his synod.
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Lydia wrote:Maria, you have stated that ROCOR in 1976 was in heresy and the GOC was correct to sever communion. Most of the clergy and virtually all of the laity that left ROCOR in 1986 also did so because they believed that the Russian Synod was in heresy. So, you must acknowledge that what they did was correct. It is wrong of you to assert that they left to evade the Panteleimon question. They were fully convinced that ROCOR, through the actions of people such as Archbishop Anthony of Geneva and the inaction of the other bishops to correct such ecumenistic conduct, had fallen into heresy. You should commend them for finally realizing what the GOC had known for 10 years.
Also, when the clergy and laity left ROCOR, they went under two Greek bishops named Akakios and Gabriel. After Bishop Gabriel withdrew from this union they left Bishop Akakios to go under Archbishop Auxentios and his synod.
Those ruling HTM hieromonks who penned the documents in 1986 accusing the ROCOR of ecumenism put forth righteous reasons, but the underlying reason was a smokescreen to cover for the evil deeds of Panteleimon. In politics, this is called Wag the Dog. These political smokescreens are seen repeatedly in HOCNA's epistles and writings, but most recently seen in the deceptive writings concerning Name-Worshiping.
That HTM went under the two schismatic Greek bishops Akakios and Gabriel is not praiseworthy, neither is their decision to seek consecration from Archbishop Auxentios, who was another schismatic.
Yet, we must pray for Auxentios that he may be saved.
Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.
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The clergy and laity who left ROCOR did the right thing for the wrong reason? Is this your assertion?
How do you know what was in the hearts of these people? Are you saying they all severed communion with heretics because they wanted to protect Father Panteleimon? Or was it just the Fathers at HTM and everyone else was duped?
Is it possible for Archbishop Auxentios to be saved since he died an unrepentant schismatic without being reconciled to the GOC? Perhaps he repented after he died...
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Because Lydia, Fr Panteleimon wanted to join the Matthewites first. He wanted to go with Archbishop Andreas.
BUT they demanded a full investigation of the allegations against him.
So he dropped them real quick and went to Auxentios, who Pantelwimon himself had called "The garbage pit of Orthodoxy." Panteleimon wanted to be a Matthewite. But he settled on that which wouldnt threaten him.
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Isaakos wrote:Because Lydia, Fr Panteleimon wanted to join the Matthewites first. He wanted to go with Archbishop Andreas.
BUT they demanded a full investigation of the allegations against him.
So he dropped them real quick and went to Auxentios, who Pantelwimon himself had called "The garbage pit of Orthodoxy." Panteleimon wanted to be a Matthewite. But he settled on that which wouldnt threaten him.
I don't think this is accurate. It is true that he called Archbishop Auxentios " the garbage pit of Orthodoxy." But he did NOT want to be a Matthewite.
He did go under Bishops Akakios and Gabriel, but, it was Bishop Gabriel who dropped them because he was scandalized by the accusations against Father Panteleimon.
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Lydia wrote:Is it possible for Archbishop Auxentios to be saved since he died an unrepentant schismatic without being reconciled to the GOC? Perhaps he repented after he died...
We do not know what transpired at the falling asleep of Auxentios. In our charity, we must pray to God that he might be saved, will be saved, or has been saved. Lord have mercy.
Lord Jesus Christ, have mercy on me a sinner.