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[someguy]

Hello,

My apologies if there is already an intra-TOC thread on this group though I could not see it...

This synod of Kallinikos seems quite large and I believe is dubbed the synod in resistance?

I know every Greek old calendarist group mostly has dirt on every other Greek old calendarist group though this group seems to have an orthodox confession...

Can the more learned please elaborate?

The parishes that I have found thus far in my area seem to be;

• A non endorsed church most likely vagante group
• Mathewite church currently separated from the main group...
• Florinite church currently separated from the main group with bishop Chrstophoros split

There is another church belonging to this group so looking to get everyone's position?
https://hsir.org/index-en.html

Thank you as always!!!

[d9popov]

Metropolitan Cyprian Koutsoumpas and Metropolitan/Archbishop Kallinikos Sarantopoulos were ordained bishops in the "Schism of 1979," in uncanonical. secret, night-time liturgies in defiance of the united Florinite Synod at that time under Archbishop Auxentios. Cyprian founded the "Holy Synod in Resistance" in 1984 or so. Kallinikos was elected archbishop in 2010 of the Kiouses synod. Then, in 2014, the two groups united. The problem is that their united statement on ecclesiology does NOT reaffirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism. Even more problematic is that the united group maintains a relationship with the deposed ecumenist Jerusalem Patriarch Irenaeus and intercommunion with the Moscow Patriarchate in the Russian-occupied parts of the Republic of Georgia.

This is extremely sad, because the Kiouses synod had condemned Cyprianism and condemned intercommunion with ecumenists, but under Kallinikos it has weakened its stance in several ways.

[Maria]

Metropolitan Cyprian Koutsoumpas and Metropolitan/Archbishop Kallinikos Sarantopoulos were ordained bishops in the "Schism of 1979," in uncanonical. secret, night-time liturgies in defiance of the united Florinite Synod at that time under Archbishop Auxentios. Cyprian founded the "Holy Synod in Resistance" in 1984 or so. Kallinikos was elected archbishop in 2010 of the Kiouses synod. Then, in 2014, the two groups united. The problem is that their united statement on ecclesiology does NOT reaffirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism. Even more problematic is that the united group maintains a relationship with the deposed ecumenist Jerusalem Patriarch Irenaeus and intercommunion with the Moscow Patriarchate in the Russian-occupied parts of the Republic of Georgia.

This is extremely sad, because the Kiouses synod had condemned Cyprianism and condemned intercommunion with ecumenists, but under Kallinikos it has weakened its stance in several ways.

1. Do you have proof that the Kallinikos synod did not reaffirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism? Why would the Kalliniikos Synod need to affirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenicism in the first place?

2. Furthermore, did the Kallinikos synod prior to and after its union with the Synod in Resistance in 2014 need to reaffirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism? Remember that this 1983 Anathema was originally issued by the ROCOR, which is now fragmented into the ROCA-Agafangel, RTOC, ROAC, etc. Do all these ex-ROCOR synods accept the 1983 Anathema?

3, Did Agafangel ever accept the 1983 Anathema? He is now in communion with the Kallinikos Synod.

Oh, by the way, The Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece, founded by St. Matthew issued three synodal statements against Ecumenism:

1957 SYNODICAL ACT OF THE
GENUINE ORTHODOX CHURCH

In 1957, the Synod of Metropolitan Demetrius of Thessalonica, President of the Holy Synod of the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece, assembled in Athens and made the following declaration. [From Synoptic Observation of the Festal Calendar Issue Under the Light of Orthodoxy, "Herald of the Genuine Orthodox," Athens 1989, p. 26 (in Greek)]:

Declaration Against the New Calendarists, Modernists and Ecumenists

The official state schismatic [church] by its transgressions and apostasies, remaining in schism, is becoming heretical. In the commentary of the First Canon of St. Basil the Great (footnote 1) is declared: “A schism persisting wrongly becomes a schismato-heresy, and a schismato-heresy becomes a complete heresy” (Divine Chrysostom).We confess with all the strength of our hearts and with a tyrannical trumpet we declare our Faith and confession as follows: We remain firmly unshaken in the Faith of our Fathers, in the injunctions of the New Testament, the Symbol of the Faith, the sacred Canons decreed by the holy seven Ecumenical and Local Councils, in the Teachings of the God-bearing Fathers, in the Decisions of the Pan-Orthodox Councils and Patriarchs, and in the Sacred Traditions. We exclude and reject every deviation, every addition or subtraction of even one iota. We are obedient only to decisions of Orthodox Councils. We denounce the “official” [church] as innovationist, as schismatic, as cacodox, paving directly towards heresy. We have no communion with the cacodox “official” [church], not recognizing the validity of its mysteries, not considering its acts and condemnations against us to have any authority. We are indifferent to, and by no means fall by, the persecutions, the placing of the spears, the imprisonments, the defrockments, the slanders and insults, the banishments, with which the “official” [church] unmercifully treats us, thereby becoming “God-fighting” according to St. Athanasius the Great; [the “official” church] bears not a single power, nor has the capability to shake our faith and confession in regards to the Patristic [traditions] and separate us from the Holy Church, the Bride of Christ.

• Metropolitan Demetrius of Thessalonica (President of the Holy Synod)
• Metropolitan Spyridon II of Trimythus
• Metropolitan Andrew of Patras
• Metropolitan Callistus of Corinth
• Metropolitan Bessarion of Tricca and Stagae
• Metropolitan John of Thebes and Lebadia
• Metropolitan Meletius of Attica and Megaris
• Metropolitan Matthew II of Bresthena
• Metropolitan Epiphanius of Citium
• Metropolitan Anthimus of Piraeus
• Metropolitan Theocletus of Salamis
• Metropolitan Agathangelus of Tinos

Archpriest Eugene Tombros (Secretary of the Holy Synod)

The second one was issued on July 13, 1983:

1983 ENCYCLICAL AGAINST OLD CALENDARIST ECUMENISM
ACT OF THE HOLY AND SACRED COUNCIL OF THE GENUINE ORTHODOX CHURCH OF GREECE

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                                                                                                                                   Protocol Number: 6/13-7-1983

Theme: Condemnation of the so-called "Old Calendarist Ecumenism."

The Holy Synod of Bishops of the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece in its session of July 13, 1983, addressed the theme of the so-called "Old Calendarist Ecumenism", and took into account:

a) That the so-called "Old Calendarist Ecumenism" teaches an entirely heretical teaching, to wit, that all the groups and factions that follow the old calendar together consist and belong to the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Christ, and it proposes a union of these [factions] according to an ecumenistic perception and not according to the Orthodox Confession and Ecclesiology.

b) That "Old Calendarist Ecumenism" is a fruit and product of antichristian Ecumenism, the pan-heresy of our age, which seeks, through the fractions and divisions and the ecclesiological confusion, to distort the Orthodox Confession – Ecclesiology and to introduce this heretical teaching into the Uninnovated Church, in order to thereby suffocate it.

c) That the age, in which we are going through, is an age of general apostasy and ecclesiological confusion, which was caused by antichristian Ecumenism. Thus, the criticality of these times requires [from us] especially, a continuous way of life in the pure Confession of the Orthodox Faith and in the teachings of the Church of Christ.

d) That "the chosen vessel," the divine Apostle Paul, commands us all: "Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Spirit hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood," and continues: "grievous wolves shall enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them." (Acts 20:28-30)

e) That many have arisen, speaking perversely, for the purpose of setting aside the Confession and Ecclesiology of the Holy Church of Christ, and turn against the divine and Sacred Canons and generally against the Holy and Sacred Tradition, by preaching "Old Calendarist Ecumenism" with bared head, and disturbing the assembly of the faithful.

Since "Old Calendarist Ecumenism" is condemned by the consensus of the divine and Sacred Canons and is something foreign and polemical against the Orthodox Confession and Ecclesiology of the Church of Christ, for this reason, together with our Holy and God-bearing Fathers, holding the divine and Sacred Canons in embrace, in the Holy Spirit we decide:

1. We judge and condemn the so-called “Old Calendarist Ecumenism,” as something foreign to, and incompatible with, the Orthodox Confession and Ecclesiology of the Holy Church of Christ.

2. With one mouth and one heart we confess and preach that the Genuine Orthodox Church, which for reasons of discernment is called "uninnovated" or "Church of the Genuine Orthodox Christians," is the continuation of the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church of Christ, from which [the following] were torn off: firstly, the innovated new calendarist church, through the introduction of the condemned papist innovation [of the calendar], by which Ecumenism entered in 1924; and secondly, the various old calendarist schisms, which were created by their distortion of the Confession – Ecclesiology of the uninnovated Holy Church of Christ.

3. This Orthodox Confession – Ecclesiology was printed and preached since 1924, and was Synodically preached in the historic year of 1935. We also keep it, preach it and confess it.

4. With one voice we disapprove and remove any expressions or publications which, regardless of what context or by whom they were written, are unacceptable from an Orthodox perspective and are foreign to the Orthodox Confession and Ecclesiology, and we order that from now on, anything contradictory, whether it be due to carelessness or through human weakness, we regard it as having not been written.

In the year of salvation 1983, on July the 13th (old calendar).

The President:

• ANDREW of Athens and all Greece

The Members:

• GREGORY of Messenia
• MATTHEW of Megaris
• LAZARUS of Bresthena
• PACHOMIUS of Argolis
• THEODOSIUS of Phthiotis
• TITUS of Kozane

The Chief Secretary:

• Hieromonk Kirykos (Kontogiannis

This third one was issued in 1985:

DECLARATION AGAINST ECUMENISM
Synod of the Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece - 1985

To the heretical ecumenistic encyclical of 1920, this statutory charter of the schismato-heresy of new calendarism and ecumenism, together with those who wrote it, and those who accept it, and those who proceed according to its commands: Anathema! To the Masonic and ecumenistic Congress of Constantinople of 1923, whereby the introduction of the accursed innovation of the new Papal Calendar into Orthodoxy was decided for the common concelebration of the feasts with the heretics, marking her commencement in the heresy of ecumenism or the socalled Pan-Christian unity: Anathema! To the resolution of the fifth hierarchy, whereby Chrysostom Papadopoulos decided upon the introduction of new calendarism, as the first step of enforcing the obscure schemes of Freemasonry and ecumenism: Anathema! To the resolution in March of 1924, of the outrageous fighter against Orthodoxy, Chrysostom Papadopoulos, whereby he forcefully imposed the innovation and schismato-heresy of new calendarism and ecumenism: Anathema! To those who outrageously fought against Orthodoxy: Meletius Metaxakis, Chrysostom Papadopoulos, Basil II, Athenagoras, and all who are of like mind as them, who likewise intentionally served, and continue to serve, the God-hated work of ecumenism until this very day: Anathema!

+Archbishop Andreas of Athens and all Greece (President)
+Metropolitan Epiphanios of Citium and all Cyprus
+Metropolitan Evmenios of Heraklion and all Crete
+Metropolitan Gregorios of Messenia
+Metropolitan Matthew of Attica and Megara
+Metropolitan Nicholas of Piraeus and Islands
+Bishop Lazaros of Bresthena
+Bishop Theodosios of Phthiotidos
+Bishop Pachomios of Argolis
+Bishop Titos of Serbia and Kozani,

Archimandrite Chrysostom (Metropoulos) (Head Secretary),
Hieromonk Kirykos (Kontogiannis) (on behalf of the priests),
Monk Theodulus (Demetropoulos) (on behalf of the monks)
Eleutherius Goutzides (on behalf of the laymen)

[Maria]

Hello,

My apologies if there is already an intra-TOC thread on this group though I could not see it...

This synod of Kallinikos seems quite large and I believe is dubbed the synod in resistance?

I know every Greek old calendarist group mostly has dirt on every other Greek old calendarist group though this group seems to have an orthodox confession...

Can the more learned please elaborate?

The parishes that I have found thus far in my area seem to be;

• A non endorsed church most likely vagante group
• Mathewite church currently separated from the main group...
• Florinite church currently separated from the main group with bishop Chrstophoros split

There is another church belonging to this group so looking to get everyone's position?
https://hsir.org/index-en.html

Thank you as always!!!

First remember that this same Monk Kyrikos who was originally a bishop with the GOC Synod wrote the letter as secretary of the GOC, denouncing the ROCOR in 1976. This is the same Monk Kyrikos who has been in schism from the GOC Synod since 2005. Coincidence? This is the same Monk Kyrikos who is causing dissension and spreading rumors to destroy the GOC. The latest fruit is that two bishops, Pachomios and Efstathios, have been censored and expelled from the Synod of the GOC this year (2018) because they have maintained communication with Monk Kyrikos. is it surprising that the Synod of Kallinikos also opposes this Monk Kyrikos? I have communicated with several clergy and members who belong to the schismatic church established by Monk Kyrikos. The disinformation and gossip they spread is not of God.

Concerning the SiR and the Kallinikos Synod.

In 2014, the Synod of Resistance (SiR) joined with the Synod of Kallinikos. Then Agafangel of Russia joined in communion with the Synod of Kallinikos.

It is not a matter of 'dirt' but a matter of all the schisms that have taken place from the original GOC established by St. Matthew. Chyrostomos of Florina was imprisoned where he was drugged and beaten in 1935 after joining with and consecrating St. Matthew's GOC in 1935.

I believe that this imprisonment, drugging, questioning, abuse by pulling out his facial hairs, beatings, starvation, sleep-deprivation by inadequate clothing and cold, and other maltreatments of Chrysostomos of Florina by the Freemasons in both the Greek government and in the Greek New Calendarist clergy, did cause Chrysostomos tremendous suffering and a weakening of faith.

Why else would Chrysostomos deny in 1937 that confession of faith which he had written with St. Matthew and the other GOC bishops in 1935? This led to the schism in which Archbishop Chrysostomos of Florina broke communion with St. Matthew. This fractured the Holy Genuine Orthodox Church of Greece.

One must remember that all the bishops in the GOC, along with St. Matthew, were imprisoned by the Freemasonic State of Greece. Many recanted and rejoined the New Calendarists so horribly wrong were the drugging and abuses they suffered while in prison. Remember that the Freemasons had access to very strong mind-altering drugs produced by German-Nazi pharmaceutical companies. These same Freemasons were engaged in a world wide assault on Christians whether Orthodox, Roman Catholic, or Protestants. Their diabolical plan was to eradicate the very name of Christ, if they could.

Note that St. Matthew also suffered tremendously when he was also starved, drugged, abused, and imprisoned by these same satanic Freemasonic forces. Yet, he did not buckle under and deny the True Faith. Instead, St. Matthew remained true to the faith. This is often overlooked by those who follow Chrysostom of Florina in their zeal to defend this man. I am not denying the possibility that Chrysostomos did repent and did ultimately become a saint, but his initial apostasy should be acknowledged as causing much harm to the GOC.

Yet, the clergy in Kallinikos' Synod would rather ignore the sanctity of St. Matthew while wondering why the GOC under those who descend from St. Matthew do not defend Chrysostomos of Florina. Remember that Chrysostomos of Florina did not cooperate with St. Matthew and would not co-consecrate any bishops with St. Matthew, nor did Chrysostom consecrate any bishops for his own Florinites, but left them orphaned without any bishops when he died. Thus, he remained as a sole bishop alone in schism from St. Matthew.

Yet, Chrysostomos' many communications with St. Matthew show that Chrysostomos was attempting to repent, yet he remained a broken confused man, severely affected by the brutal treatment he suffered at the hands of the Freemasons both in the Greek government and in the Greek New Calendarist clergy. This weakness of Chrysostomos must be acknowledged by those in Kallinikos-SiR Synod, especially by those of the Synod in Resistance who originally proposed the glorification of Chrysostomos. Unless I am mistaken, before the union of 2014, Chrysostomos was not honored as a saint in the Kallinikos Synod. Instead it was pushed through by the bishops of the SiR.

[someguy]

It is not a matter of 'dirt' but a matter of all the schisms that have taken place from the original GOC established by St. Matthew. Chyrostomos of Florina was imprisoned where he was drugged and beaten in 1935 after joining with and consecrating St. Matthew's GOC in 1935.

I did not realise this was at all the case till now.

Please forgive me as dirt is not the right word as soo many have struggled on these issues for a long long time now.
Also by soo many I mean those in the ministry and lay people too.
It is sad as most just give up though I am hoping I can continue...

The way I am beginning to see it though is that out of the GOC options there is not one that is completely squeaky clean and as a matter of individual thought and opinion one can be chosen.

The issue is that many parishes have their own separations too which further complicates matters.

I am hoping that I can discover some other non GOC options but at this stage I have one option that seems the safest and united to an extent.

[d9popov]

...

1. Do you have proof that the Kallinikos synod did not reaffirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism? Why would the Kalliniikos Synod need to affirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenicism in the first place?

2. Furthermore, did the Kallinikos synod prior to and after its union with the Synod in Resistance in 2014 need to reaffirm the 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism? Remember that this 1983 Anathema was originally issued by the ROCOR, which is now fragmented into the ROCA-Agafangel, RTOC, ROAC, etc. Do all these ex-ROCOR synods accept the 1983 Anathema?

3, Did Agafangel ever accept the 1983 Anathema? He is now in communion with the Kallinikos Synod.

...

When the Cyprian synod and the Chrysostomos Kiouses synod were negotiating in 2008, the Kiouses synod made a HUGE deal of the fact that, for them, it was "non-negotiable" that the Cyprian synod MUST endorse Saint Philaret's 1983 Anathema Against Ecumenism. After Chrysostomos Kiouses died in 2010 and Kallinikos was elected archbishop, the issue became VERY NEGOTIABLE, and they came up with compromise language: the previous condemnations of ecumenists were a good step in the right direction of a FUTURE major synod that would condemn the ecumenists with greater (supposed) authority. So what was "non-negotiable" in 2008 was NEGOTIATED AWAY in 2014. That was a betrayal of their confession of faith and a betrayal of their flock.

In theory, all ROCOR-derived groups are obligated to accept the Anathema. However, Agafangel does not believe it or follow it.

It is my prayer that the Andronik-Sofronii-Irinei-Andrei synod will reaffirm the Anathema in clear terms and reject Cyprian's Theses clearly. They have already issued an official statement stating that they never accepted Cyprianism, but a clearer statement would be helpful, especially since one of Sofronii's priests has a webpage devoted to praising Cyprian.

Concerning Bishop Stefan Sabelnik's "Radicalized Orthodoxy": He appears to have been opposing the light-switch theory (which it is good to oppose), but some of his language might have sounded Cyprianite. Stefan did tell Andronik that a rejection of Cyprianism was a pre-condition of their unity, so I want to believe that Bishop Stefan died confessing Orthodoxy and that he just did not believe that a synod in Ukraine or Russia should rule with an iron fist over the Church Abroad. I want to believe that he reposed in Orthodoxy. Andronik and Sofronii, however, should distance himself more clearly from Cyprianism. They may do this if they enter into full communion with the Serbian True Orthodox Church under Bishop Akakije and Bishop Nektarije.

[Maria]

Good food for thought, d9.

Thanks for your valuable contributions.