Some thoughts about "Western Rite"

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Re: Some thoughts about "Western Rite"

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Priest Siluan wrote:

I read some years ago a very interesting Interview to Matushka Anastasia Shatilova by Portal-Credo, she said St. Philaret was against the so-called Wester Rite, now this interview was posted on a ROCOR-A blog in a "Google-traslation" English.

http://rocorrefugeesreadmore.blogspot.c ... story.html

Once again, this is not a general condemnation of the Western rite. Specifically she said he was against the Gallican liturgy and the use of the New Calendar, and that Kovalevsky was an occultist (none of which I disagree with).

I'm a little touched that the Refugee-remnant actually cares what Matushka Anastasia Shatilovna thinks now. I had the privilege of randomly speaking to her just weeks before that fateful accident over the phone (she acted as an interim translator for Metropolitan Valentine when I called the Synod house in Suzdal.)

Like everything else of course, this discussion is taken out of historical context. Was Bp Gregory against the Western Rite? As it was being used in ROCOR, yes. Did our Metropolitan many years back discuss these matters with him? Yes. Did our Archbishop MEET St Philaret and Bp Gregory to discuss this? Yes. Furthermore, to a degree I agree with Bp Gregory's actions because I care to understand why they were taken, not complain about a man while he lives and then take his words as Gospel 30 years later.

To the horror of the Refugee Remnant THAT was the reason that Vl John went to St Philaret's glorification-- to have a chance to quietly visit with the Saint after it was over. We had no agenda, and have always quietly respected ROCOR's historical positions. We have, for our part, never been punished for our own, until the present day, where frankly, a small group of [slur removed--consider this a public warning that such is not tolerated; do it again and sanctions will follow --Admins] people are focused on "what they think" is Orthodoxy.

This is a little tiring, Father Siluan. For a number of reasons. I am getting a little tired of these misrepresentations being on your (collective; you+refugee remnant) agenda. And I am now starting to rethink all over again about my father. But we'll leave that for private messages.

Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)

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Re: Some thoughts about "Western Rite"

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Suaiden wrote:

To the horror of the Refugee Remnant THAT was the reason that Vl John went to St Philaret's glorification-- to have a chance to quietly visit with the Saint after it was over. We had no agenda, and have always quietly respected ROCOR's historical positions. We have, for our part, never been punished for our own, until the present day, where frankly, a small group of [slur removed--consider this a public warning that such is not tolerated; do it again and sanctions will follow --Admins] people are focused on "what they think" is Orthodoxy.

Exactly what did I write that was a slur..?

Fr Joseph Suaidan (Suaiden, same guy)

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