Protocols of the Elders of Zion

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Funny how through out the centuries mankind has always needed someone else to blame for all its woes. The problems they faced were never as a result of their own actions but always the fault of "someone" else. Even today we do the same thing. I don't think there is one of us that has not sinned in this manner in someway, whether as an adult or as a child, whether it was blaming someone or even God for our misfortunes. The fault lies within ourselves and no where else.

Christ gave us but one commandment....to love each other as he loved us... I do not recall there being an ...except for... at the end of his commandment. Such simple words, yet seemingly the hardest in the world to fulfill.

When I was young I was told by my father confessor that it was a sin to try and justify your sin to God, there is no justification for our sins. Yet that is what we seem to be doing here.

Brendan, you claim to remember what it was like to live in a "christian" America, however that American did not really tolerate anything that was different from itself. As a young Orthodox immigrant, I suffered all kinds of discrimimation from those Christians. It was hard as a young person to understand why this was so. Many thought I worshipped at the altar of some strange, or weird sect and as such should excluded or ostracized. Faith should be a matter taught at home and not at school by people who do not necessarily believe as you do. It is because faith and Christ's love are missing at home, that it is missing in people. I know that many Orthodox people are caught up in that "being different" syndrome and as such strive to be like everyone else and as a result loosing everything that makes them Orthodox.

We should look to our own salvation, condemning others for our own lack of faith is hardly the answer. Correct yourself and you correct the world around you.

Ben

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viniamim wrote:

Brendan, you claim to remember what it was like to live in a "christian" America, however that American did not really tolerate anything that was different from itself. As a young Orthodox immigrant, I suffered all kinds of discrimimation from those Christians. It was hard as a young person to understand why this was so.

Its human nature to be suspicious of anything different from whatever group norm exists. I believe this is an instinct God put in all of us possibly in order to help preserve the nations He created. But did you suffer any official discrimination or merely experienced people maybe being not quite a friendly as you would like? What kind of response do you think you would have gotten in an America that was pagan or Jewish or atheistical? I suspect you would have gotten a far less welcoming attitude.

BTW, my wife's family is of immigrant stock, so I have some perspective on how non-Anglo-Saxon, non-Protestant immigrants were treated, but just to let you know, this works both ways. My uncle had an engagement broken up when the parents of his prospective wife objected to their daughter marrying a Protestant.

In any case, when an Orthodox child went to public school in this country 50 years ago, he read from the same Bible lessons as the Protestant and Catholic kids. He acknowledgged Jesus Christ without fear. Christian holidays were common to all Christians. Nobody would think of suing an Orthodox person or anyone for publicly acknowledging Christ anywhere. Christ was ackowledged even in secular events by most people, but now that's all gone. The movement to eradicate Jesus Christ from society and restrict Him strictly to church buildings has been underway for some years, but its always been Jews most prominantly doing it. This is what I'm getting at, but apparently there are people who thing its wrong for us to even notice this. Its like having an elephant in one's the living room that nobody is allowed to notice. LOL.

Yes, we are imperfect. Yes, we don't always do the right thing. But, IMHO, that has nothing to do with noticing the activities of people who seek to undermine and even ultimately destroy Christianity. The Jews are one of the major groups trying to do that. Its not a "conspiracy theory" or "scapegoating" to be aware of this, but simply reality. And its not our fault that they have chosen to engage in such activity. This is the path they themselves chose. Its not secret thing either. All one has to do is look closely at the individuals and organizations which are constantly supporting, agitating, and filing law suits to weaken and remove Christian influence from society.

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If you would look further down where an Orthodox Christian praises the destruction of Protestantism, Then I understand why orthodox immigrants and Catholic Irish were persecuted.

I agree, Orthodox and Catholic Irish need to be persecuted in this country because they also are the ones undermining this country's patrimony.

Ted Kennedy, and John Kerry are perfect examples of how lame Irish Catholics have done tremendous damage to this country.

I look within my own Greek Orthodox community especially the rampant paganism within the Cretan community and they scare me.

As I have said again, America is a product of Protestant Christianty and Catholicism and orthodoxy is incompetent and incapable of defending and upholding this country.

Early Protestant Christian youth of this country in Colonial America grew up with the Bible and Scripture everywhere. Our laws were based on the Bible. Nowhere today in any Orthodox or Catholic church is the bible preached. Only the Gospel. Socialism and Communism come from the Gospel. Socialism and communism are rampant within the Orthodox church.

Pre-Vatican II Catholicism did somewhat of a good job of defending America but the infighting among Christians, orthodox, catholic, and protestant, have laid root to our destruction.

It says in Scripture, your enemies will rule over you. This has come to pass in America where the Jew rules the Christian.

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Post by Wheeler »

To viniamin,

Total love belongs to God first. Our duty is to our own kind first!!! Jesus refused to heal the daughter of the Phoenician girl. His gifts were for his own people first. Only upon the rejection by his own people, did salvation come to us dogs!

When someone is destructive in your own house, your job is to your family first and to kick out the destructive neighbor.

Love is not some panzy effeminiate, spineless, jelly filled communist gobblygook that you learned from liberal, socialist idiots.

Read the WHOLE Bible.

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" The greatest single cause of atheism in the world today is Christians, who acknowledge Jesus with their lips. Then walk out the door and deny him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."

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"What If I Stumble"

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wheeler how then do you explain what Elder Paisious of Athos said in the thred I posted read it again o how do u explain this http://oag.ru/library/hodos/js3-4.html read the article when u get to the botom go to the word that says next (there is four parts to the site) when u finish please explain how Putin can say that if all this saying that jews don't control the world is TRUE???? (I can't wait to hear the crasy answer for this) Oh by the way this article is written by a JEW so no excuses :lol:

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Artemon:
All that site shows is your gullibility, ignorance, bigotry and propensity to allow evil into the world through your nonsence. One can read a thousand books and articles on the subject and come up with a thousand different theories. It does not necessarily follow that any of it is truth.

My husband is right, you can't teach a bigot a truth, he's too mired in his own bigotry and hatred. It's much easier to blame the other guy. And that much harder to see the evil in ourselves.

God help us all, we are beyond redemption, beyond hope, beyond everything! It a wonder to me that God has not already chucked it all and ended this miserable and evil world.

http://www.fatheralexander.org/booklets ... d_evil.htm

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