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Mason's Jokers

Postby Chrysostomos » Fri 12 March 2004 5:48 pm

Joseph D.,

The only person who I know of, that is a confessed "Mason", is as
you say - a joker. Happy go lucky, joke after joke. I wonder
if that is part of their initiation rite, telling a joke. You didn't happen
to see any pictures of that on Nicholas's link to the "tell all" Mason
site did you? I wonder if there is some connection to the comedy
club? Hmmmm.....Maybe David Letterman and Jay Leno are
Masons? Sounds like a job for those who have time to do the
investigating....Me, I'll go about my business.....

With humble bow,

Rd. Chrysostomos

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Since we were talking about masons....

Postby Natasha » Fri 12 March 2004 6:18 pm

(CBS) 60 Minutes
Oct. 5, 2003
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/10/ ... 6332.shtml


Skull And Bones

There are secrets that George W. Bush guards at least as carefully as any entrusted to a president.

He's forbidden to share these secrets even with the vice president -- secrets he has held ever since his days as an undergraduate at Yale.

In his senior year, Mr. Bush - like his father and his grandfather - belonged to Skull and Bones, an elite secret society that includes some of the most powerful men of the 20th century.

All Bonesmen, as they're called, are forbidden to reveal what goes on in their inner sanctum, the windowless building on the Yale campus that is called "The Tomb."

There are conspiracy theorists who see Skull and Bones behind everything that goes wrong, and occasionally even right in the world.

Apart from presidents, Bones has included cabinet officers, spies, Supreme Court justices, statesmen and captains of industry - and often their sons, and lately their daughters, too.

It’s a social and political network like no other. And they've responded to outsiders with utter silence – until an enterprising Yale graduate, Alexandra Robbins, managed to penetrate the wall of silence in her book, “Secrets of the Tomb.” Correspondent Morley Safer reports.
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”I spoke with about 100 members of Skull and Bones and they were members who were tired of the secrecy, and that's why they were willing to talk to me,” says Robbins. “But probably twice that number hung up on me, harassed me, or threatened me.”

Secret or not, Skull and Bones is as essential to Yale as the Whiffenpoofs, the tables down at a pub called Mory's, and the Yale mascot - that ever-slobbering bulldog.

Skull and Bones, with all its ritual and macabre relics, was founded in 1832 as a new world version of secret student societies that were common in Germany at the time. Since then, it has chosen or "tapped" only 15 senior students a year who become patriarchs when they graduate -- lifetime members of the ultimate old boys' club.

“Skull and Bones is so tiny. That's what makes this staggering,” says Robbins. “There are only 15 people a year, which means there are about 800 living members at any one time.”

But a lot of Bonesmen have gone on to positions of great power, which Robbins says is the main purpose of this secret society: to get as many members as possible into positions of power.

“They do have many individuals in influential positions,” says Robbins. “And that's why this is something that we need to know about.”

President Bush has tapped five fellow Bonesmen to join his administration. Most recently, he selected William Donaldson, Skull and Bones 1953, the head of the Securities and Exchange Commission. Like the President, he's taken the Bones oath of silence.
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Ron Rosenbaum, author and columnist for the New York Observer, has become obsessed with cracking that code of secrecy.

“I think there is a deep and legitimate distrust in America for power and privilege that are cloaked in secrecy. It's not supposed to be the way we do things,” says Rosenbaum. “We're supposed to do things out in the open in America. And so that any society or institution that hints that there is something hidden is, I think, a legitimate subject for investigation.”

His investigation is a 30-year obsession dating back to his days as a Yale classmate of George W. Bush. Rosenbaum, a self-described undergraduate nerd, was certainly not a contender for Bones. But he was fascinated by its weirdness.

“It's this sepulchral, tomblike, windowless, granite, sandstone bulk that you can't miss. And I lived next to it,” says Rosenbaum. “I had passed it all the time. And during the initiation rites, you could hear strange cries and whispers coming from the Skull and Bones tomb.”

Despite a lifetime of attempts to get inside, the best Rosenbaum could do was hide out on the ledge of a nearby building a few years ago to videotape a nocturnal initiation ceremony in the Tomb's courtyard.

“A woman holds a knife and pretends to slash the throat of another person lying down before them, and there's screaming and yelling at the neophytes,” he says.

Robbins says the cast of the initiation ritual is right out of Harry Potter meets Dracula: “There is a devil, a Don Quixote and a Pope who has one foot sheathed in a white monogrammed slipper resting on a stone skull. The initiates are led into the room one at a time. And once an initiate is inside, the Bonesmen shriek at him. Finally, the Bonesman is shoved to his knees in front of Don Quixote as the shrieking crowd falls silent. And Don Quixote lifts his sword and taps the Bonesman on his left shoulder and says, ‘By order of our order, I dub thee knight of Euloga.’"

It’s a lot of mumbo-jumbo, says Robbins, but it means a lot to the people who are in it.

“Prescott Bush, George W's grandfather, and a band of Bonesmen, robbed the grave of Geronimo, took the skull and some personal relics of the Apache Chief and brought them back to the tomb,” says Robbins. “There is still a glass case, Bonesmen tell me, within the tomb that displays a skull that they all refer to as Geronimo.”

“The preoccupation with bones, mortality, with coffins, lying in coffins, standing around coffins, all this sort of thing I think is designed to give them the sense that, and it's very true, life is short,” says Rosenbaum. “You can spend it, if you have a privileged background, enjoying yourself, contributing nothing, or you can spend it making a contribution.”

And plenty of Bonesmen have made a contribution, from William Howard Taft, the 27th President; Henry Luce, the founder of Time Magazine; and W. Averell Harriman, the diplomat and confidant of U.S. presidents.

“What's important about the undergraduate years of Skull and Bones, as opposed to fraternities, is that it imbues them with a kind of mission for moral leadership,” says Rosenbaum. “And it's something that they may ignore for 30 years of their life, as George W. Bush seemed to successfully ignore it for quite a long time. But he came back to it.”

Mr. Bush, like his father and grandfather before him, has refused to talk openly about Skull and Bones. But as a Bonesman, he was required to reveal his innermost secrets to his fellow Bones initiates.

“They're supposed to recount their entire sexual histories in sort of a dim, a dimly-lit cozy room. The other 14 members are sitting on plush couches, and the lights are dimmed,” says Robbins. “And there's a fire roaring. And the, this activity is supposed to last anywhere from between one to three hours.”
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What’s the point of this?

”I believe the point of the year in the tomb is to forge such a strong bond between these 15 new members that after they graduate, for them to betray Skull and Bones would mean they'd have to betray their fourteen closest friends,” says Robbins.

One can't help but make certain comparisons with the mafia, for example. Secret society, bonding, stakes may be a little higher in one than the other. But everybody knows everything about everybody, which is a form of protection.

“I think Skull and Bones has had slightly more success than the mafia in the sense that the leaders of the five families are all doing 100 years in jail, and the leaders of the Skull and Bones families are doing four and eight years in the White House,” says Rosenbaum.

Bones is not restricted to the Republican Party. Yet another Bonesman has his eye on the Oval Office: Senator John Kerry, Democrat, Skull & Bones 1966.

“It is fascinating isn't it? I mean, again, all the people say, ‘Oh, these societies don't matter. The Eastern Establishment is in decline.’ And you could not find two more quintessential Eastern establishment, privileged guys,” says Rosenbaum. “I remember when I was a nerdy scholarship student in the reserve book room at, at the Yale Library, and John Kerry, who at that point styled himself ‘John F. Kerry’ would walk in.”

“There was always a little buzz,” adds Rosenbaum. “Because even then he was seen to be destined for higher things. He was head of the Yale Political Union, and a tap for Skull and Bones was seen as the natural sequel to that.”
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David Brooks, a conservative commentator who has published a book on the social dynamics of the upwardly mobile, says that while Skull & Bones may be elite and secret, it's anything but exciting.

“My view of secret societies is they're like the first class cabin in airplanes. They're really impressive until you get into them, and then once you're there they're a little dull. So you hear all these conspiracy theories about Skull and Bones,” says Brooks.

“And to me, to be in one of these organizations, you have to have an incredibly high tolerance for tedium 'cause you're sittin' around talking, talking, and talking. You're not running the world, you're just gassing.”

Gassing or not, the best-connected white man's club in America has moved reluctantly into the 21st Century.

“Skull and Bones narrowly endorsed admitting women,” says Robbins. “The day before these women were supposed to be initiated, a group of Bonesmen, including William F. Buckley, obtained a court order to block the initiation claiming that letting women into the tomb would lead to date rape. Again more legal wrangling; finally it came down to another vote and women were admitted and initiated.”

But Skull & Bones now has women, and it’s become more multicultural.

“It has gays who got the SAT scores, it's got the gays who got the straight A's,” says Brooks. “It's got the blacks who are the president of the right associations. It's different criteria. More multicultural, but it's still an elite, selective institution.”

On balance, it may be bizarre, but on a certain perspective, does it provide something of value?

“You take these young strivers, you put them in this weird castle. They spill their guts with each other, fine. But they learn something beyond themselves. They learn a commitment to each other, they learn a commitment to the community,” says Brooks. “And maybe they inherit some of those old ideals of public service that are missing in a lot of other parts of the country.”

And is that relationship, in some cases, stronger that family or faith?

“Absolutely,” says Robbins. “You know, they say, they say the motto at Yale is, ‘For God, for country, and for Yale.’ At Bones, I would think it's ‘For Bones.'”

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Postby 尼古拉前执事 » Fri 12 March 2004 8:03 pm

I split the questions of Tikhon's authenticity as a Deacon of ROCOR in Texas to the Misc Section, as it was bringing this thread off-topic somewhat :-D The new thread on Tikhon can be found at http://www.euphrosynoscafe.com/forum/vi ... php?t=2077

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Re: Mason's Jokers

Postby Joseph D » Sat 13 March 2004 5:02 pm

Chrysostomos wrote:Joseph D.,

The only person who I know of, that is a confessed "Mason", is as
you say - a joker. Happy go lucky, joke after joke. I wonder
if that is part of their initiation rite, telling a joke. You didn't happen
to see any pictures of that on Nicholas's link to the "tell all" Mason
site did you? I wonder if there is some connection to the comedy
club? Hmmmm.....Maybe David Letterman and Jay Leno are
Masons? Sounds like a job for those who have time to do the
investigating....Me, I'll go about my business.....

With humble bow,

Rd. Chrysostomos


Dear Chrysostomos:

Yuk yuk. :lol: Masons haven't a monopoly on humor have they? I looked over the site and even read some articles which I did finally find (thanks and apologies to Moderator Nicholas). From a critical point of view, the whole site was a joke. So in answer to your question... definately sort of.

I think Masonry could stand to a charge of atheism. But I do not believe that most people caught up in it realize what they are doing. I remember seeing an episode of a children's cartoon called "Animaniacs" in which the Warner Brothers characters are initiated into the secret society that holds the secrets of world power. In the inner sanctum of the temple many important world figures, including then President Bill Clinton, were seen. The finale was to be that the ancient and hidden secrets would be revealed to the mistified Warner Brothers. It turned out to be a Three Stooges film archive! One of the Warner Brothers was disappointed, but came to laugh with the other, who was writhing with laughter already. Guess which one first apprehended "the great secret!" :lol:

Let's just keep the faith, I say. It is good to hear from you Rd. Chrysostomos. Thanks.

Sincerely:
Joseph

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Postby Tessa » Mon 15 March 2004 2:01 pm

Here's some good ole' Masonic humor. :lol:
Yes I am being darkly sarcastic.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-amason10mar10,0,410744.story?coll=sfla-news-nationworld

LOL.

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Postby Joseph D » Mon 15 March 2004 2:47 pm

SrbMama wrote:Here's some good ole' Masonic humor. :lol:
Yes I am being darkly sarcastic.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/nationworld/sfl-amason10mar10,0,410744.story?coll=sfla-news-nationworld

LOL.

Tessa[/url]


Nicholas posted this a few days ago. It was not a ritual murder, but a prank gone bad as I commented some posts above.

I remember once in gradeschool a boy I knew brought a loose sandwich baggy of his older brother's itching powder to "show off." The contents of itching powder are an ancient and closely guarded secret meant only for the most elect pranksters. 8) : The finest fuzz quills of the prickly pear cactus, cured and chopped poison ivy leaves, and hot pepper flakes. Anyway, the kid showed the stuff off but no one would touch it. By the end of the day he was in some serious trouble, though not with our teacher who thought the boy had already gotten what he deserved -- blotchy all-American rashes inside his arms, the back of his neck, behind one ear, & etc. It wasn't even reported to the principal, as I recall, so I guess it was kept a SECRET. Boys will be boys. Myself, oh I have a few. Let's see the first prank that blew up in my face was one with fireworks... Seriously, the first prank to boomerang on me was one involving a boomerang... uh... Oh yes, I got into scary trouble once, when I was twleve, over a wolf-man mask that some girls thought was the real; but that was really too easy, girls are afraid of everything. I got grounded over it, as I recall. But the best one: I angered a teenage co-worker several years ago when I convinced him that Canada has no gravity in the winter. Ooo he was mad about that a few days later. :lol:

Oh and Tessa, I did have a BB gun mishap when I was fourteen. Yeah, I didn't know it was loaded... The boy was ok, after we got the pellet out him. I felt terrible. He punched me in the arm a few times and said some things he probably didn't regret. I told him I deserved it. I never did a BB gun prank of any sort ever again. And eventually I had to grow up altogether.

Sincerely,
Joseph

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Postby Tessa » Mon 15 March 2004 8:39 pm

Ok sorry I didn't realize Nicholas had posted that. My dad told me about it and I actually laughed as sick as that is, especially during Lent when I am trying to be a better Christian, just like I laughed when that poor guy jumped off the hotel roof for the pool after seeing it on Jack@ss. Sometimes I feel and intense sense of hatred for people who are THAT stupid. I mean there are people fighting to live in countries, tiptoing over landmines and dodging bullets to go fetch water and here we have these American idiots losing their lives over "gluposti" (stupidity).

Ok...so Nicholas thank you for your posts. Hiermonk Sava is brilliant. I have read much of things before, in Serbian though. So in English I feel like I get the jist more. However the website was ok...until I read that Gavrilo Princip was a Mason. He WAS a member of a secret organization "Crna Ruka" (The Black Hand). It was a south-Slav nationalistic organization that plotted against the Austro-Hungarian Imperialist oppressors that as you all should know eventually succeeded in assasinating the Archduke and supposedly igniting the fuse of WWI. Ok so anyways my point is-Princip; an uneducated peasant man with TB and member of a secret fanatical organization- yes....freemason; absolutely NOT. He is one of the greatest heroic figures in Serbian history.To further illustrate my point against Masonry existing in Bosnia and Hercegovina my husband is EVEN from the region and has never heard of Freemasonry and I have an unbelievable time trying to explain it to him. I highly doubt that it was a Masonic lead conspiracy to kill Ferdinand. And besides you gotta give us Serbs credit for something.

My last point however is in the US there unfortunately many so-called Orthodox (Serbs etc.) who are Masons. I heard, don't quote me my dad told me this, that our Metropolitan is even a Mason. RRRRGH! It makes me sick and I their "religion is like a mountain with many pathes leading to the top (heaven)" philosophy makes me sick. I think this is all preparation for Anti-christ.

One more thing though, my question was not answered. So Masons in other countries, like so-called Patriarch Bart are Masons, are they Masons in the secret organization sense, or do they go through all the goofy guy stuff like grand poobah blowing a gun off by your head type thing like I picture here.

I think Masons are bad. Not bad people but their organization negates the teachings of the Mother Church.

That's my 2 cents, for now at least.


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