Will ROCOR Priests "Commemorate" Alexy II?

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Will ROCOR Priests "Commemorate" Alexy II?

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Will ROCOR Priests "Commemorate" Alexy II?
Dr. Eugene L. Magerovsky (rocor)

In the Orthodox Liturgy there is a high point in the service known
as the "Grand Entrance". At that point the Gifts are brought out of
the altar and the name of the First Hierarch of the Church is openly
pronounced. "Pominat" is the Russian Church word, meaning "to
pronounce" at the Divine Liturgy, the name of the First Hierarch.
And the majority of Russian ROCOR priests do not want to "pominat."
Alexy II. Let me explain why.

The First Hierarch of the Moscow Patriarchate, Patriarch Alexis II,
is under two "Anathemas" or "curses by the Church". The first was
issued by Patriarch St.Tikhon in 1918 on "all those in Soviet
government and those who deal with them," and the second by a group
of "katakomb" bishops while incarcerated in Siberia in 1937.
These "katacomb" bishops, in following their predecessors, also
anathematized the Soviet regime and "all those who deal with it".

You will remember that the apostate metropolitan Sergei Stragorodsky
had sought in 1927 to gain the Communists favor by allying his
church with the Communist government, thereby bringing St.Tikhon's
anathema upon himself.

Metropolitan Sergei also proclaimed himself to be a locum tenens of
a locum tenens of Patriarch St.Tikhon who had since died. It is he
who also was the first Soviet patriarch, after Stalin established
anew the Moscow Patriarchate in 1943. To date, neither of the two
anathemas have been lifted.

In addition to the question of the anathemas, there exists a serious
question whether the whole MP establishment is really a "church" at
all. The facts are that there has been no government recognized organized
church in what eventually became the Soviet Union from 1918 to 1943.
In 1943 Stalin organized a "church-like" body only because there has
been a strong religious revival on the territories occupied during
World War II by the Germans, which were again coming under his
[Stalin's] control, where countless churches and monasteries
suddenly reappeared.

The first "patriarch" Sergius was appointed by Stalin. The NKVD
which later became the KGB had full control of the "church." Bishops
and lower church officials were Soviet appointed KGB agents and were
given aliases - the alias of the present "Patriarch" is " Drozdov".

It may be as the dewey-eyed idealists claim, that Alexy II has "seen
the light," but the Patriarch, the "dewey-eyed" should be reminded,
has never atoned for his service to the KGB openly and publically.

To recapitulate:

  1. Alexy II has inherited two public anathemas which hang over him.
  2. Alexy II is the head of a quasi-church of uncertain and dubious
    beginnings,.
  3. Alexy II himself was, if not an "agent", then at least an
    "operative" of the KGB.

What else do you need? The evidence is indicting.

Is it, then, small wonder that the majority of Russian ROCOR priests
do not want to "commemorate" (POMINAT’) Alexy II in any way during
the services?

ROCOR Dr. Eugene L. Magerovsky
November 2.15. 2005

ROCOR Scholar Dr. Eugene L Magerovsky, has earned a Ph.D. in
Russian Foreign Affairs (Columbia, 1975). Dr. Magerovsky is now
Vice-President of the Association of Russian-American Scholars. Formerly
of New York and Fordham Universities, he had taught
Russian History and Russian Political Science at the Graduate
School of Georgetown University.

Dr. Eugene L Magerovsky is currently also Vice-President of the
Russian Expert Commission Abroad, an inquiry into the fate of the
remains of the members of the Russian Imperial House murdered by the
Communists on July 17th, 1918, in Ekaterinburg, Russia. He now
resides in Kinnelon, New Jersey, with his family and attends ROCOR's
Novo-Diveevo Church in Spring Valley, New York.

Dr. Eugene L Magerovsky is a frequent contributor to:
"The Metropolitan Memorial Society" - A ROCOR society
dedicated to preventing a PRO MP vote at the ROCOR SOBOR
in May of 2006.
http://www.metanthonymemorial.org/

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Post by AndyHolland »

Please consider an honest question.

Where does someone like St. Seraphim of Veritsa (sp?) fit into all of this? There is a book about him and his life. He certainly was prosecuted by the authorities, and was clairvoyant and had many wonderful gifts. He suffered greatly.

andy

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Post by joasia »

Were there and are there no clergy in Russia who are true to the Orthodox faith in the MP?

Joanna

Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me. (Ps. 50)

Nathaniel Kapner

ALEXY II - "READ ALL ABOUT IT"

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ALEXY II - "READ ALL ABOUT IT"

I.INTERNATIONAL AFFAIRS

www.mospat.ru

"31.10. 2005 - Patriarch Alexy II awarded Ambassador Hairi al Oridi
with "The Order of the Holy and Right-Believing Prince Daniel" for
his contribution to the development of relations between Russia and
Palestine.

"Bishop Mark of Yegorievsk, who presented the award along with the
Patriarch, noted that the Ambassador took an active role in
preparing for the two visits of Patriarch Alexy to the Holy Land."

JEWISH WORLD PRESS

"JERICHO West Bank, Feb. 11 2000 - Two weeks ago, Moscow Patriarch
Alexei II came on a Christmas pilgrimage to Bethlehem and presented
Arafat with documents laying claim to monastery property in Hebron.
Alexei II is the leader of the Red Church.

"To the dismay of White Church officials, the Palestinians accepted
the claim. This is the second such handover by the Palestinian
Authority, and White Church officials fear its other properties
could follow."


II.ECUMENISM

The Associated Press

"April 21, 2005 - Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexy II congratulated
Pope Benedict XVI on Wednesday and expressed the hope that the new
pontiff would strive to develop relations between the two churches.

"For over 25 years, Metropolitan Alexy dedicated his efforts to the
"Conference of European Churches." He was co-moderator of the first
"European Ecumenical Assembly." Among other duties Alexy II was
elected a USSR People's Deputy in 1989."

Interview to the Italian newspaper CORRIERE DELLA SERA
24.4.05

"Your Holiness, how do you evaluate the results of John Paul II's
pastoral ministry?"

ALEXY II: "His Holiness's teachings have not only strengthened in
faith Catholics throughout the world, but also bore witness to
Christianity in the complex world of today."


III. RUSSIAN FEDERATION PROPAGANDA

PRAVOSLAVIE RU

"MESSAGE OF HIS HOLINESS PATRIARCH ALEXY II ON THE 60-TH ANNIVERSARY
OF THE GREAT PATRIOTIC WAR

"16. 05.05 - Russian military glory reached its peak in the years of
the Great Patriotic war. The whole country stood up to defend the
borders of our Motherland, casting off national, religious and
ideological differences."


IV. STATE-CHURCH RELATIONS

INTERFAX NEWS
30 October 2005

"A letter of Patriarch Alexy II to President Putin.

"Your Excellency, Highly Esteemed Vladimir Vladimirovich,

"Many beneficial changes have taken place in the years of reforms in
Russia. The state, Church and civil society are called today to work
together, for they have common tasks in many respects. Foremost
among them are the tasks of peacemaking, spiritual and patriotic
education... "

+Alexy.

Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia

Subdeacon Nathanael Kapner
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I would like to hear from ROCOR priests

Post by Subdeacon Jerjis »

I would like to hear from ROCOR priests who are
members of this list. I would like them to answer
one question please:

  1. What further evidence do you need that MP Alexy II
    is not a confessor of Holy Orthodoxy?

Sbn Jerjis/Dr Alajaji

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Sbn Jerjis/Dr Alajaji:
In answer to your question:

What further evidence do you need that MP Alexy II is not a confessor of Holy Orthodoxy?

As a loyal and true member of ROCOR and not a person having deserted the ranks, I will say this.......There is nothing that either you or Brother Nathaniel have accomplished with all you rantings and jibberish that would in any way make me give up my hopes for ROCOR. All you do is propegate lies, rumor and absolutely no real facts. Nor have you displayed any christian charity or love. Your evident is rumor, inuendo and conjecture. I venture to say that my sources are problably truer than yours and I'm not even that close to the real goings on. But you see I have hope in GOD, not man. This whole thing is dealing with what is GOD's and not man's. My hope lies in GOd's hand leading us and correcting the path we are to follow. You and such as you want to impose your will on the church and to @#$%^ with GOD's will.

So please stop maligning my church. Stop maligning the good people who have not given up. Stop maligning the people who still hope in GOD's mercy.

Katya

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Post by SouthernOrthodox »

Amen Katya. As a less than worthy member of ROCOR my sense of the issue is, Lets move forward. My family on days gone past at the turn of the century, suffered greatly. Fast forwarding to TODAY ( a concept very foreign to some). I am not owed an explanation nor an confession. My beliefs lies in one true God, it rests with the Holy Synod under it's direction.

My experience and education tells me, people will always be biter (hateful) over something they can never attain. That is more than evident on this board. The real sad part in this is the faithful members of ROAC, ROCOR-V et al, deserve a place in this, unfortunately a few are showing us where that place should be.

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