Address to ROCA, by Bishop Gregory

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Nevski,

You are going off the deep end, Seraphim. Here's hoping and praying that you come to your senses.

I'm going off the deep end?

(the following is taken from a post by Nevski at Nicholas' Forum, emphasis mine)

Am I committing myself here to the dreaded “Branch Theory” of the church? Am I saying that it is not “necessary” to become Orthodox? Don’t know just yet. I’m somewhat still “in via” on it. But I’m prepared to go there if that’s where all this evidence takes me, and the charges of “heresy” from my own quarters be damned if that should turn out to be the case. It seems that God is telling me, through all of the foregoing, that there are more things in heaven and on earth than are dreamt of in our ecclesiology.

Oh, and one more thing: I’m wondering whether the current thinking emanating from the Vatican on this issue these days doesn’t have us Orthodox beat.

Nevski's Branch Theorism?

A Dialogue Between Nevski and Seraphim Reeves on the Same Topic

St.Matthew 7:3-5

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Seraphim: I'm going off the deep end?

Me: Yes, you are.

Seraphim: (the following is taken from a post by Nevski at Nicholas' Forum, emphasis mine) [Snip]

Me: Guilty as charged. But at least I evidence a certain amount of restraint in this quote by saying that I'm "in via" on the matter, that "I don't know yet," etc. If we pluge into heresy, it at least out to be well thought out.

Same if we plunge into schism. Ahem.

But back to my heresy for a moment: I note that when you posted this quote of mine you omitted the quotes from St. Gregory Nazianzus, Fr. Michael Pomazansky and Archimandrite Constantine of Jordanville, all three of whom have impeccable "traditionalist" credentials.

Oh, wait, I forgot. They no longer do have those credentials.

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Nevski wrote:

Hence why we wax eloquent in this forum about the "Cyprianic" ecclesiology, as if that is now the official ecclesiology of the Orthodox Church. Of couse, if ROAC is now the Orthodox Church, I guess it is. I'm so confused! :P

You are confused. The "Cyprianic" ecclesiology as you called it is very different than the ecclesiology of ROAC.

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Darn

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You quoted me right before I edited my quote. Yes, I did misread Hegumen George's post. Sorry.

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Oh, I see

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Bishop Gregory is the Buena Vista Archimandrite. It all adds up now.

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From the Indiana List

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Since the initial post by Hegumen George was cross posted on the Indiana List (and, one presumes, on Nicholas' board) to "generate discussion" here, perhaps this response from Matushka Ann Lardas can help generate the desired discussion.

http://listserv.indiana.edu/cgi-bin/wa? ... D=0&P=1155

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Jurisdictional Quandries

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:ohvey:
Christ is in our midst!
He is and ever shall be!
To the readership:
I am not opening a new discussion of any jurisdictional issues with
this posting. I am simply making a statement I feel I must in light
of the current climate. I am thoroughly opposed to certain activity
and cannot in good conscience remain silent.
In light of the seemingly ill-advised situation going on in
ROCOR, I and my wife will, hopefully for the time being, be
asserting our allegiance to the Synod of +Metropolitan Kiprianos Of
Oropos & Fili. We will still partake of the ministrations of the
Serbian church until such a time as a parish can be established to
meet our needs. We will, however, maintain prayerful communion with
both ROCOR and the ROCiE, but choose at this time to assume a stance
of neutrality in their division. We, furthermore, will cease in
actively pursuing the life in the Mysteries in ROCOR, with small
exceptions such as pilgrimages. In this statement, we wish to
affirm historical ROCOR and its legacy and disassociate ourselves
from the current and seemingly ruinous path of union undertaken. If
it is born out that we are in error, we humbly seek the forgiveness
of those whom we slight and/or have slighted. This decision has
taken some time and has not been entered into lightly and is by no
means final. Much prayer and soul searching on our parts has
brought this decision about. We do not wish anyone ill. We will
continue apart, living our life in Christ, showing charity to those
who come to us and trying humbly to seek after the one thing
needful. In none of this should it be understood that we will ever
consider ceasing to confess the Holy Orthodox Faith.
ORTHODOXIA I THANATOS!
Rostislav & Elizabeth Malleev-Pokrovsky
PS With this statement, we wish to affirm the moderate ecclesiology
of the Synod in Resistance with the understanding that the issue of
the Calendar Schism does not act to negate the grace of the
Mysteries of those who follow it. We, furthermore, believe that
ecumenism is the pan-heresy of our time. Although uncondemned, we
understand that it is the witness of the Saints to abandon communion
with bodies engaging in error in the affirmation of Orthodoxy and
the hopes that amendment be forthwith. We do understand that the
Patriarchate of Serbia has officially made statements to pull out of
the ecumenical movement, however, not fully implementing its
decisions. It is with this understanding that we continue in the
life in the Mysteries in her, that the intent of the Patriarchate of
Serbia is to abandon ecumenism. We understand that the Synod In
Resistance is not recognized by the Serbian Patriarchate, but, as an
intermediary and neutral step, in our situation, it is the only
prudent action to take. In regards to the issue of renovationism,
we remain stalwartly against these abberations in church life and
pray our Master will soon bring an end to things scandalous and
ruinous to the the soul. No where in this do we assert the
gracelessness of any jurisdiction, but, rather, we affirm the need
for Orthodox unity in Truth without compromise.
Orthodoxia I Thanatos!
Rostislav Mikhailovich Malleev-Pokrovsky
Jelizaveta Georgievna Malleeva-Pokrovskaja

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