Father or Saint Nicholas Planas?

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Re: Father or Saint Nicholas Planas?

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Maria wrote:
Archimandrit Nilos wrote:

Please, read the follow Link: http://www.roca.org/OA/56/56e.htm. There are proofs against Nicholas Planas, he was a Neo-Calendarist by obedience, a great hypocrite.

Re-read these two paragraphs from the link you have cited:

  • When his secret serving according to the Old Calendar was discovered he was often reprimanded by the higher authorities in the Church. He always appeared when summoned and took his dressing-down without self-justification, disarming his accusers with his childlike simplicity and forthrightness. His intent was to remain true to his conscience; he did not try to build up a following or in any way stir up the faithful over the issue of the Calendar, although he blessed others to follow his example and to work for the formal reinstatement of the Old Calendar. Over and ever he said to everyone, "Whatever has been done uncanonically cannot stand--it will fall."

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     Sadly, the Calendar question was never resolved. The harsh and quite unchristian polemics that have become a hallmark of many in the Greek Old Calendar Movement since then are far removed from the behavior of Papa-Nicholas who is championed as the Movement’s founder. One cannot help but wish that his stirring example of charity had been taken more to heart by those that shared his love for the Traditions of the Church in that otherwise worthy movement.[/list]

    Today, we have the GOC in Greece, and this large movement of True Orthodox Christians in Greece is the result of Father Nicholas Planas who faithfully and secretly followed the Old Calendar despite the "official" church who persecuted him.

    And yes, as the text in the second paragraph plainly states, there are some True Orthodox Christians who are quite judgmental and polemical. These people give a poor witness as they do not reflect Christ's love as did Father Nicholas Planas.

Dear Father Nilos,

I am copying my response to your post so that you can see that it was never deleted.

In Christ,
Maria

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Re: Father or Saint Nicholas Planas?

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Hee, hee. Isn't Schemamonk Ambrose, the former Fr Alexey Young, author of that link,
now in a Greek Archdiocese place ? A small New Calendar convent in the Mid-West ?

It was a nice article, thanks for the link, Archimandrite ! I like the story of how his cassock was
dry even in the middle of the downpour of rain in Athens [hard to imagine : I thought it was sunny there
all the time ! ]

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jgress wrote:

I'm curious about one thing: during the period from 1924 to 1935, when there were no Old Calendar bishops in Greece, priests who continued to celebrate liturgy on the traditional calendar must have done so on antiminsia, but the only antiminsia available must have belonged to New Calendar bishops. In V Moss' history, he claims that Bishop Nikolai of Ohrid provided Old Calendar priests with antiminsia, but Bishop Photios of Marathon has disputed this and claims there is no record of this. If Bishop Photios is right, Old Calendarists must have continued to recognize the New Calendar bishops in some sense, since they celebrated on their antiminsia.

Well no, they were probably using old antimensia consecrated before the new calendar heresy; it is true that in theory that the antimensia is burnt when the bishop dies but in practice, it is seldom done so that you have stocks of old antimensia particularly in Mount Athos. If the antimensia has been consecrated by a bishop while he was orthodox, it is ok. I cannot imagine a new calendar bishop giving an antimensia to an old calendarist because the latter asked it. It is not credible. There is also the possibility to serve on no antimensia if none is available.

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OK. I thought it had to be an antimension of a living bishop, since the priest only serves liturgy on behalf of his bishop and not on his own authority.

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From the book "Struggle against Ecumenism" there were apparently several bishops who disagreed with Abp Chrysostom's condemnation of the old calendarists, so it's possible they tolerated old calendarists in their own diocese and provided antimensia, but I don't know for sure.

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jgress wrote:

OK. I thought it had to be an antimension of a living bishop, since the priest only serves liturgy on behalf of his bishop and not on his own authority.

In theory yes, for sure, practically no, there are many old antimensions fron deceased bishops still in circulation. I know for sure there ae some signed by Saint John of Shangai. I wonder by the way how they would manage the issuing of new antimension after a bishop is dead and the new one is established but has 300 parishes. The new one would spend his first days signing, and signing...

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Jean-Serge wrote:
jgress wrote:

OK. I thought it had to be an antimension of a living bishop, since the priest only serves liturgy on behalf of his bishop and not on his own authority.

In theory yes, for sure, practically no, there are many old antimensions fron deceased bishops still in circulation. I know for sure there ae some signed by Saint John of Shangai. I wonder by the way how they would manage the issuing of new antimension after a bishop is dead and the new one is established but has 300 parishes. The new one would spend his firt days signing, and signing...

From what I have been told, an antimension is very costly to obtain, and it contains relics. Should not those relics be carefully removed and used again rather than be burnt?

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